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Auxiliary Valve and 3pt. Hitch

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amako

08-12-2007 14:48:24




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I have been trying to make a 135 hydraulics work the same way as my Ford 800. The Ford has an double spool 2way valve mounted on the lift cover. There is no selector. You work the lift with the side control and the cylinder with the valve. They don't both work at exactly the same time but you can go from one lever to the other without any other movements. This seems to be a problem with a 135. I have a setup which acts like the Ford. A MF double spool 2way valve mounted on the lift cover. The left side is blocked. The right side goes to the aux. cylinder. You preset the position controler to the desired max. up position. The left lever on the aux. valve will raise and lower the 3pt. just the same as the position control lever. Let go of the and it goes to center position, 3pt is locked. Your hand moves to right lever and works aux cylinder. Same as the Ford. Both functions are within the aux. valve on the 135 which is ok. I did notice the engine strained when pushing the left lever forward even though the 3pt was going down. I opened the switch valve on the left valve, turning it into a one way operation and the engine strain went away.

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Gerald J.

08-12-2007 15:54:19




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 Re: Auxiliary Valve and 3pt. Hitch in reply to amako, 08-12-2007 14:48:24  
You have it working as fine as it works. The left valve in the middle position lets the auxiliary work so long as the lift valve to the right of the seat is in the constant pumping position. The left valve pulled back (and it should latch there raises the three point IF the right hand side of the seat controls call for it to rise. Essentially in that position the right hand controls run the three point by controlling the pump just like it did without the auxiliary valve mounted.

I've not noticed my auxiliary valve (made by Cross) loads the engine when lowering the three point. For certain the three point is a single acting cylinder so if it had that switch, setting it to single acting is appropriate.

When I have a load on the three point, I lock it in position with the left auxiliary valve and the move the position handle over on the right to a lower position so I turn off the pump and save on oil heating until I need to raise that load again.

Gerald J.

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amako

08-12-2007 17:41:34




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 Re: Auxiliary Valve and 3pt. Hitch in reply to Gerald J., 08-12-2007 15:54:19  
There seem to be a lot of different ways to operate this setup. It works pretty good. I have been running a tiller locking the left lever back and using the position control to the right of the seat to adjust height as I go along. I use a back scoop with the left aux. valve lever for 3pt. up and down and and the right aux lever for the hyd. dump function. The position control acts like a preset upper position. I have not used it in the constant pump mode. I have thought the aux cylinder seemed a little slow. I'll try the constant pump position. It may speed it up.

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Gerald J.

08-12-2007 18:30:30




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 Re: Auxiliary Valve and 3pt. Hitch in reply to amako, 08-12-2007 17:41:34  
The internal pump is only 3.6 gpm. It runs some more pressure than some systems with greater flow so it makes pretty good motion but its boring if the auxiliary cylinder is more than 3x8. It runs a maximum pressure according to my manual of 2800 psi so it will lift using a smaller cylinder what a 2200 psi system will on a 3" cylinder. 2200 psi on a 3" cylinder pushes 15,551 pounds. A 2-5/8" cylinder pushes 15,153 pounds with 2800 psi and for the same volume of oil the smaller cylinder moves 30% faster. A 2.5" cylinder would be 44% faster but only push 13,744 pounds at 2800 psi.

The pump is controlled by the original levers with feedback from the three point on position and on drag of the plow (what the draft control is used for). It needs to be more in the constant draft position to use the auxiliary. The external auxiliary valves don't shut off that original position and draft lever control of the pump. Probably don't have to lift the position control much to keep it pumping, but may need to lift it a little from where its setting the position of the three point when the oil is going to the three point.

That way, its kind of a cobble, ripping oil pressure from the built in hydraulic control system without overriding the controls.

Its not really hard to mount a pump to run off the PTO or the crankshaft, though then you need a reseervoir, a filter, and another valve or two. My loader was run that way.

Gerald J.

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