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165 wont start just loud click

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Brian08

10-28-2007 18:24:10




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Well I tried to start my 165 gas engine. It turned over a few times then all I got is a loud click from the starter. I can turn the motor with a wrench on the front crank. I have tried doing the old wack the starter with a hammer but no good. Think I got bad starter? of I got worse problems?




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Brian08

11-21-2007 12:18:57




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 Re: 165 wont start just loud click in reply to Brian08, 10-28-2007 18:24:10  
It was the starter



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Dean

10-29-2007 03:30:29




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 Re: 165 wont start just loud click in reply to Brian08, 10-28-2007 18:24:10  
Brian:

The clicking noise is the solenoid pulling in. This is an indication that the solenoid is most likely functional, which means that your problem is most likely starter related.

Suspect brushes, commutator, etc. You will need to remove it and inspect inside to know for sure.

Dean



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Gerald J.

10-28-2007 20:06:40




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 Re: 165 wont start just loud click in reply to Brian08, 10-28-2007 18:24:10  
My MF-135 did that once while I was traveling the 8 miles from farm to home. I stopped for gas.

I took the end off the starter and found the brush leads all broken and the brushes worn about out, leaving a pile of coppery carbon in the bottom of the starter. I was able to connect two out of the 4 brushes and get it to start. When I got it home, I pulled the starter and had it on the counter of my local automotive electric shop while it was still warm. I had them put in brushes (which means turning the commutator), bearings, a new solenoid, and a new Bendix drive. Its worked fine ever since at least a dozen years.

When there's just a click, battery post connections are most suspicious. Resistance in a connection (which can be at other points in the starter wiring, like grounds and posts on the solenoid) will let the solenoid pull in to make the click, but drops the voltage so far when the contacts make that the starter won't crank the engine. Under some conditions the solenoid then drops out, the voltage rises and it pulls in again chattering. Just from bad connections, but a nearly dead battery will do the same with good connections. You have to eliminate the possible problems going from simple (dirty connections) to the complex (or expensive, bad starter) until it works. We can't test it remotely.

Gerald J.

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KSTractor

10-28-2007 19:34:51




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 Re: 165 wont start just loud click in reply to Brian08, 10-28-2007 18:24:10  
Most 165's have multi-power so they won't pull start. Try shorting across the 2 big terminals on the starter solonoid with a junk screwdriver. MAKE SURE TRANS IS IN NEUTRAL FIRST.If it cranks then the solonoid is not making contact. They can be taken apart and cleaned if you are careful not to break the wires off of the terminals when taking the cap off.



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Brian08

10-28-2007 19:38:50




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 Re: 165 wont start just loud click in reply to KSTractor, 10-28-2007 19:34:51  
I will try that out. Yeah I thought that might be that case I have a multi-power.

I know I good battery in it. So I will try the other stuff out.

Thanks
Brian



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MT in Walford

10-28-2007 19:22:26




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 Re: 165 wont start just loud click in reply to Brian08, 10-28-2007 18:24:10  
You could have several things.
1. Battery is dead...not enough juice to turn it over. Jump it or charge it...or could be battery is shot. Have it tested.
2. Bad sylinoid if it has one.
3. The battery connections could need cleaned and tightened. Take off the battery connections, wire brush the connections and the battery posts. Put the connections back on, make sure they are tight.
4. Try all the above before assuming it is the starter. Yes some times tapping the starter gets it to work.

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jason andrews

10-28-2007 18:37:39




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 Re: 165 wont start just loud click in reply to Brian08, 10-28-2007 18:24:10  
check the timeing if that dont work just pull it good fuel good spark good timing it should at lest fire PULLIT



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