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What's with these perkins diesels?

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Bob (Kansas - U

11-26-2000 03:28:28




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I'm the guy you all helped out with the clutch adjustments on an old 65 diesel I felt sorry for at an auction and ended up owning (it's been used hard and put away wet most of it's life I'd say). We had some cooler weather here lately (lower 20's F) and this Massy surprised me. I was running around with my can of ether trying to get a ford started so I could move some bales and decided I wanted to move the massy out of the way. Having not started it for about 6 weeks I thought I'd see if it had any battery left at all. To my surprise it rolled over very slowly a couple of times and started right up - no ether, no jumper cables, no block heater or any of the other things that my fords seem to need. Has Perkins figured out how to get a diesel to start in colder weather? And if so - how cold can it get and still have them start? I'm beginning to think I should be putting a real battery in there, fix the charging system, fix the pre-heater, and use it to move bales this winter.

Thanks for any advise,
Bob

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HJ

12-11-2000 20:56:25




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 Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Bob (Kansas - U.S.A), 11-26-2000 03:28:28  
Put SlipCoat in the engine,Keep the battery in the house(warm) until you want to start it. A cold battery looses 1/2 it's power.



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Sam

12-10-2000 18:47:40




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 Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Bob (Kansas - U.S.A), 11-26-2000 03:28:28  
I have a 203 industrial with a 3cyl Perkins - starts better than my JD diesels - even in winter.



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David

11-27-2000 19:03:05




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 Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Bob (Kansas - U.S.A), 11-26-2000 03:28:28  
I don't get the severe winter weather you guys get up north, so I can't brag too much. When my battery is charged, my 65 will start in in a flash. Warning, if you do use starting fluid on your 65, do so VERY sparingly. Too much and the engine sounds like it will blow up!!!



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Lee

11-27-2000 16:01:34




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 Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Bob (Kansas - U.S.A), 11-26-2000 03:28:28  
I've got a MF-165 with the Perkins AD4-203 that I've had for about 10yrs. Mine has a block heater in it, when I want to use it in the winter I plug it in in the morning with an extention cord and an appliance timer. I set the timer for about two hrs before I get home from work and it's ready to go. I feel that it's easier on the engine too, when it's preheated abit.



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Chip

11-27-2000 10:40:36




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 Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Bob (Kansas - U.S.A), 11-26-2000 03:28:28  
As long as my battery is good, mine will start, no matter what, I love the Perkins engine.



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Phil in Ms

11-27-2000 06:29:08




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 Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Bob (Kansas - U.S.A), 11-26-2000 03:28:28  
I put a block heater on my MF 255 diesel about ten years ago. I think it cost about $22 to $ 24 and maybe replaced a freeze plug or something like that. I friend of mine helped and it took maybe 10 minutes! I likely don't use enough diesel fuel conditioner but plug it in 30 minutes to an hour before I need it and it certainly saves the battery. I currently have a marine heavy duty battery and it does a good job on starting in colder weather. I always try to plug it in for a while near the freezing mark!

Sounds like you have a good starting tractor, just change the fuel filter before winter and use a conditioner.

Phil in MS.

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ex-welder

11-26-2000 18:03:38




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 Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Bob (Kansas - U.S.A), 11-26-2000 03:28:28  
We used to use Lincoln SA-250 welders with perkins 3cyl diesels. They would start with no help down in the low teens(I didn't want to). We had one Miller with a 4 cyl continental that wouldn't start at 32 degrees without ether.

The perkins would run all day on 10 gallons too.



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tom

11-26-2000 15:46:41




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 Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Bob (Kansas - U.S.A), 11-26-2000 03:28:28  
NOT MINE!!!! I have a 30B IND and that puppy won't start below 40 degrees. Its ok though because it is handling the load the rest of the year. I do need to find a block heater for it though because that is all that saved me here in michigan last year. I want it start!!!!! I am laughing because I am about ready to build a fire under it. LOL



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bbott

11-26-2000 09:45:34




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 Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Bob (Kansas - U.S.A), 11-26-2000 03:28:28  
Yes, they've got it figured out. Perkins was (is?) one of the best small/mid size diesels made.
(IMHO)

Both my Perkins-engined MF's start easy..

They can sit for weeks and weeks.. hit the key, engine turns over and it's running. Sometimes I swear it starts on the first piston to reach compression.

The JD parked in the barn next to them needs battery boosters and depending on mood, lots of prayer or lots of cussin' to get it going.

-- bb

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Jack in NB

11-26-2000 04:42:44




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 Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Bob (Kansas - U.S.A), 11-26-2000 03:28:28  
Hi Bob -

Sounds like your engine is in top shape! Ours generally start to about 10F with 10-30 oil, a good battery and the manifold heater working. Odd
one will go to zero. 5W-30 gives another 10 degrees or so. As they get tired and lose compression, the low-end starting temp goes up.

A block heater for an hour or so is good insurance - easier on everything. I feel (but can't prove it!) there's less wear from a cold start with things warmed up a bit.

Manifold heaters are listed here in Canada at about $25 ($16 US) plus postage.

Jack Wetmore

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John OBrien

01-04-2001 09:24:40




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 Re: Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Jack in NB, 11-26-2000 04:42:44  
Have a MF32 with loader and backhoe for about the last 15 years. Bought it with the intention of doing some side work. Am proud to say that I have never made a dime with it. I have loaned it to friends, one guy has a welding shop and a 50-ton Grove that he flipped because of non-deployment of tormentors, and with the boom extended. He used the Massey on my advice as the hydraulic pump to suck in the boom. He rebuilt my dipper on the backhoe. Other guys, who were doing improvements around their houses, improved it too. One guy blew the engine and rebuilt it. Another guy tore off a tormentor, replaced it. The starter with another loaner & replaced. Another replaced the alternator with an electronic one, voltage regulator inside. It just keeps getting better. With the last two feet of snow and not having run in 4 months the battery was charged after a month of below freezing, it cranked for a bit but started and when warmed up it cleared the street for the neighbor hood. It is just one gratuitous little machine and shows no sign of stopping.

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John OBrien

01-04-2001 09:22:46




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 Re: Re: what's with these perkins diesels? in reply to Jack in NB, 11-26-2000 04:42:44  
Have a MF32 with loader and backhoe for about the last 15 years. Bought it with the intention of doing some side work. Am proud to say that I have never made a dime with it. I have loaned it to friends, one guy has a welding shop and a 50-ton Grove that he flipped because of non-deployment of tormentors, and with the boom extended. He used the Massey on my advice as the hydraulic pump to suck in the boom. He rebuilt my dipper on the backhoe. Other guys, who were doing improvements around their houses, improved it too. One guy blew the engine and rebuilt it. Another guy tore off a tormentor, replaced it. The starter with another loaner & replaced. Another replaced the alternator with an electronic one, voltage regulator inside. It just keeps getting better. With the last two feet of snow and not having run in 4 months the battery was charged after a month of below freezing, it cranked for a bit but started and when warmed up it cleared the street for the neighbor hood. It is just one gratuitous little machine and shows no sign of stopping.

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