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MF35 front end wobble

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Art Clark

02-12-2008 14:19:24




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When I drive down the road on my MF35 in 3rd gear and high speed my front end starts to wobble wildly if I get above 10 mph. I am rotten at troubleshooting, but I can take stuff apart and replace parts if know what to replace. Any suggestions on where to start?




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Bruce Hopf

02-23-2008 04:20:54




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 Re: MF35 front end wobble in reply to Art Clark, 02-12-2008 14:19:24  
Art Clark Does your sterring wheel wobble as well? Are you driving on pavement? If you are on pavement, your wheels and steering wheel will wobble. There is a anti shimmy kit you can get to help.



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Art Clark

02-28-2008 14:23:06




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 Re: MF35 front end wobble in reply to Bruce Hopf, 02-23-2008 04:20:54  
Bruce,
No, the steering wheel does not wobble. Yes, I am driving on pavement.



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Fred T. Hart Jr.

02-12-2008 18:37:16




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 Re: MF35 front end wobble in reply to Art Clark, 02-12-2008 14:19:24  
might be worth a try

put a small amount of toe-in on the front tires.

Have heard this will help some, you probably need metal in gearbox.

Check gearbox and be sure it has proper old fill, some have taken oil out of gearbox and replaced with John Deere corn header gear grease.

Jack up front end and ever so slightly tighten the gears on each side, make sure you turn steering wheel lock to lock, and be sure you do not have drag, if so gears are too tight.

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Gerald J.

02-12-2008 15:50:00




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 Re: MF35 front end wobble in reply to Art Clark, 02-12-2008 14:19:24  
These points will each contribute to a wobbly front end:

Front axle pivot.

Radius rod ball end.

Radius rod front bolts.

Front and rear drag link ends.

Front spindle bearings.

Wheel bearings.

Steering gear bearings.

Steering gear adjustment of gear mesh.

End play of the steering wheel shaft (some is necessary to run the power steering valve).

You have to fix them all.

I find a boot (with foot in it) applied to each drag link rear can kill the oscillation when running down the road at 22 mph with my MF-135. Its not been a problem at field work speeds though I have some new drag link ends, new bearings in the gear box, and new bolts at the front ends of the radius rods.

The I&T or a real MF shop manual will help set up the steering gear box. The original bearings were heavy walled Garlok bushings, steel backed copper. They aren't made any more. I used a lathe to carve porous bronze bussings to fit, then after they shrank being pushed in, I used a hunk of wood turned to fit and bits of carborundum sandpaper to lap them to size. I haven't replaced spindle bushings, pivot pin, or all the drag link ends yet.

Gerald J.

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DavidP, South Wales

02-13-2008 04:09:47




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 Re: MF35 front end wobble in reply to Gerald J., 02-12-2008 15:50:00  
Hello,
Gerald J has covered most things. Everyone seems to be leaning towards your tractor having power steering. There is a different steering box fitted to some 35's and 135's in North America to that fitted in the UK and Europe. If you have the simple type with or without PAS (valve mounted on steering column) then a major possibility for wheel wobble is due to wear in the tooth mesh in the rocker shafts in the steering box. As has been said, take some weight off the front wheels and rock one wheel back and forth. The other wheel should respond almost instantly. If it doesn't, look for movement on the drop arms at the box.
DavidP, South Wales

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Gerald J.

02-13-2008 09:06:48




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 Re: MF35 front end wobble in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 02-13-2008 04:09:47  
I think MF35 and 135 used the same design for steering boxes, with or with out power steering. With the opposing tapered gears on the two shafts that come out with the drag link arms at different heights. There are several adjustments in the gear box. End play on the steering wheel shaft. Mesh of one of the gears with the rack driven by the ball worm, then mest of the two gears, and with power steering where the cylinder is mounted on the front of the steering gear box, there should be (but isn't) an adjustment for mesh of that rack with the top gear.

With time and wear all these meshes get loose and contribute to front wheel wobble just like loose drag link ends, loose wheel bearings, and worn spindle bushings. To not neglect the axle mounts of pivot pin and radius rods.

Gerald J.

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DavidP, South Wales

02-13-2008 15:54:08




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 Re: MF35 front end wobble in reply to Gerald J., 02-13-2008 09:06:48  
Hi,
To the best of my knowledge the type of steering box with the integral cylinder was never offered in the UK. Don't ever recall seeing a 35 with PAS.
Don't recall any 135's with a swept axle having PAS either. We only have the rocker shaft and ball recirculation nut type. Don't get much trouble with the recirculation assy but plenty of wear in the top bearing arrangement particularly on older tractors.
Cheers
DavidP, South Wales

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Gerald J.

02-13-2008 16:02:30




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 Re: MF35 front end wobble in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 02-13-2008 15:54:08  
I have seen MF35 in Iowa with the power steering disk on the steering wheel and parts of the power steering stuff still in place, but missing things like the pump and cylinder and hoses, but having the control valve. Or one of the other pieces. I don't think the parts interchange well enough to have put a MF135 transmission top on a MF35.

Greald J.



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supergrumpy

02-12-2008 14:42:54




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 Re: MF35 front end wobble in reply to Art Clark, 02-12-2008 14:19:24  
mine did same thing, I started with simple stuff

check for play in steering linkage, watch what wiggles before the wheels turn side to side, mine had a worn ball end, should be little or no movement of steering wheel before wheels turn

jack up the front just to get the weight off and check out pivot pin in axle, my bushing was worn thru and pin was just into the axle

let us know what you find

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