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Help! Seal out and in axle cap?

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G. L. Perry

06-07-2003 01:58:32




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Have a Jet Star 3 and have leaking rear axle seal. have the cap off end of axle now, after fighting with the hub to get off. The seal doesn' have enough lip on it sticking to outside to drive it out. What's the secret. None of the metal case of seal shows from outside. AND, Then, when putting new one in...how does one drive it in place, when it has the open side of seal facing where you would need to drive from?? ALSO, do I need to remove the outer bearing race to allow the seal to come out? It looks like it would be close to hitting the race and get held in, can't tell. Is this seal in backwards? and I can install with the open side towards the outside? I would think it would fill with dirt and gunk that way. I've never seen a seal set-up this way. Why do I always get the weird stuff and have the odd problems? I'm getting little response from the MM site too.

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Kelvin

06-07-2003 17:15:25




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 Re: Help! Seal out and in axle cap? in reply to G. L. Perry, 06-07-2003 01:58:32  
G.L. That Jet3 is and Industrial, isn't it? I wonder if industrial tractors used a different axle/housing setup than agricultural Jet3's.

Since you're looking at it and I'm not: here goes-

First, which way is the lip going on the old seal?The point of the lip should point to the side where the fluid is.

you're probably going to have to try to figure out how to hook something over the face of the sheetmetal part of the seal that you can drive against to pop it out of the housing.

I have an old screwdriver blade about 12" long, sharpened, with no handle that I sometimes use. I just tap it in the gap between the seal and housing at an angle toward the way I want the seal to go.

In other words, I lay the housing across an open vise, stick the screwdriver in the housing from the top, side and try to hook the seal sheetmetal and bend it down, going the way it needs to come out. After I bend the sheetmetal down some, I switch to a flat bottom punch. most times I have to work at more than one point around the seal.

I guess this could bust the housing, so far, the seal has always moved first.

Just about everything I have ever worked on I could replace the seal without removing the bearing. But since I'm not looking at yours, and you are, I can't say either way.

Your new seal will likely have only a sheetmetal face on the outer side-away from the fluid. remember, the lip always goes toward the fluid. You will have to find some kind of ring that'll drive against the outer edge of the seal.

Be sure to pack the between the seal lip and the outside edge of the sheetmetal part of the seal. This will keep the spring around the seal lip from jumping out while you drive the seal into place in the housing.

An even better idea: show your seal/housing combo to someone who works such stuff and get their opinion.

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G. L. Perry

06-07-2003 20:52:55




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 Re: Re: Help! Seal out and in axle cap? in reply to Kelvin, 06-07-2003 17:15:25  
Kelv, got it out today, much like you said, a little at a time. Edge wanted to bend easy, but outer circumfrence just wouldn't move at first. I did take out the bearing race. It came out easy, and back in easy. I drove the seal and bearing in with some of those big sockets made of sheet steel as used on back wheels of big trucks. Those are the handiest darn things for big seals. I have several and they work pretty good. I couldn't find a spec on the tork for the bolts, but went about 65lbs., should be good. If you know diff, let me know!

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Kelvin

06-08-2003 18:31:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Help! Seal out and in axle cap? in reply to G. L. Perry, 06-07-2003 20:52:55  
G.L., I hardly ever use a torque wrench except on head bolts, rod bolts, and main bearing bolts.

I guess I use the 'TSAR' and the 'TLAR' approach to most fasteners.

"That seems about right"

That looks about right."

Most times I come out O.K.

Have a Blessed day, G.L.!



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