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MM 335 Hydraulic Pump Questions

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Allyn Warkentin

12-09-2003 19:30:38




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I bought a 1957 335 Universal with a missing hydraulic pump. I bought a 5 Star pump but it has the power steering priority valve that I don't need. Can the port be plugged or valve removed? Also, the clutch shaft appears to be splined but the pump coupler is frozen to the shaft and the shaft bearings are loose. The shaft with coupler can be moved up and down (or in and out) over 1/16 inch. How are these bearings tightened?
The parts book shows a clutch shaft outer end sleeve, p/n 10A7223 and gaskets. I don't see this on the tractor so am I missing something or is this a design change? Thanks, I appreciate any and all help. Allyn

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gary

12-10-2003 07:58:36




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 Re: MM 335 Hydraulic Pump Questions in reply to Allyn Warkentin, 12-09-2003 19:30:38  
JK, a question, i have a 445 that the bearings went out of the pump. i had both the end plates resurfaced with a milling machine, only cause i could not find parts to fix it. i put it all together, jacked up the front end, and it all worked great. then, i put the loader back on, and can hardly turn the front wheels. any suggestions on what to check? my steering does us the hydraulic pump for pressure.

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JK

12-11-2003 04:23:55




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 Re: Re: MM 335 Hydraulic Pump Questions in reply to gary, 12-10-2003 07:58:36  
Gary,
First, I think the pump parts were originally ground and polished & probably need to be since they use no gaskets.

You don't mention if your loader has any power or if your steering worked OK before the pump went out. The problem could be that either your pump isn't capable of putting out enough pressure (too much wear around the circumference of the gears) or the pressure regulator for the steering located in the steering control valve isn't working properly. Maybe a piece of dirt or material stuck in it?

Could also be that the priority valve located in the pump (right side, under plug at top front) that gives the steering the first 2.5 GPM of oil is sticking or the spring could be damaged.

Hope this helps,

John

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gary

12-12-2003 08:07:29




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 Re: Re: Re: MM 335 Hydraulic Pump Questions in reply to JK, 12-11-2003 04:23:55  
JK, the loader runs off a seperate pto pump, i was wondering if the weight of the loader could cause any trouble or not. the steering valve on the front left side of the tractor i resealed, and then it would turn really good left, but not right, so i was adviced to "back off" the spool a turn or two and see what happened. after i did that, i have about the same both ways, which isnt very much. if i jack up the front end of the tractor, it works really good, but i have not tried taking the loader off to see what happens as thats a pain to do. there was one valve in the steering valve that went in hard. is that the one you are referring to? it has two "o" rings on it, and a plug to hold it in the bore, where as the other one on the vavle IS the plug. thanks.

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JK

12-12-2003 14:30:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: MM 335 Hydraulic Pump Questions in reply to gary, 12-12-2003 08:07:29  
Gary,
If it turned easy one way before you adjusted the valve, & now doesn't turn easy either way, It is very likely that the pin that goes between the control valve and the slot on the steering shaft is worn allowing the steering shaft to move to its limit before it moves the valve enough to turn the wheels easily. I guess it could also be that the pieces that form the slot on the steering shaft are worn as well, but you can braze the pin up to compensate for that wear & file to fit.

John

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JK

12-10-2003 05:23:38




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 Re: MM 335 Hydraulic Pump Questions in reply to Allyn Warkentin, 12-09-2003 19:30:38  
Allyn,
It would appear that you are missing the sleeve (10A7223) and 2 copper gaskets (10A9810) that go between the back of the bearing race in the tractor and the face of the hydraulic pump.

Pumps are available with two diferent styles of front shaft, which use different drive shafts and couplers. One style of pump shaft is round with a key. This style originally was used with a drive shaft that was also round and keyed. It uses an adapter on both the pump shaft and the drive shaft, with a splined coupler between the adapters that has a spline that looks like an 1-3/8" 6 spline PTO shaft. The other style used a splined end on both the pump shaft and the drive shaft. These splines are about 7/8" 6 spline & use a coupler that goes directly between the pump shaft and the drive shaft.

If by chance the styles of your pump and drive shaft are not the same, MM did make an adapter that was used on some of the other tractors that can be used on the 7/8" 6 spline to match it to the 1-3/8" 6 spline that can be used on either shaft.

The measurements that I mention (7/8 & 1-3/8) are approximate from memory.

The 335 used several diferent regular pumps that were rated from 4.5 thru 17.5 GPM depending on type of hydraulic equipment and serial number.

As for the power steering or lack of it. The pump for use with power steering has a priority valve that is close to the tractor on the top right side. To use it without power steering, remove the priority valve and spring & put the plug back in. You must also plug the hole on the top right rear of the pump. A special pug is available to plug that hole. The thread is 5/8"-18. I have seen two different type used. One uses a copper washer to seal between the housing and the plug. The other seals on the fitting in the bottom of the hole that the tube on the hose assembly would normally seal on if the unit had power steering.

Hope this helps

John

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Allyn

12-11-2003 20:55:55




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 Re: Re: MM 335 Hydraulic Pump Questions in reply to JK, 12-10-2003 05:23:38  
John, I appreciate the information. I called the place where I bought the pump and they checked the 5 Star that donated the pump and could find no copper gaskets or sleeve. His description of what he saw when he looked in the hole where the pump was is exactly what I see on mine. I think my shaft needs to come out so the bearings can be tightened or replaced. I will then know more about how everything goes together. Thanks again, Allyn

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