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sodbanger

04-09-2008 19:29:20




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What was your perspective of the MM at Bridgeport ? I read schrocky post on previous page , but what does every body else say ?




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Nebraska K

04-11-2008 11:09:52




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to sodbanger, 04-09-2008 19:29:20  
The GBD brought anywhere from 1500 on up to 3100 bucks. Personally I think everything brought what it was worth on up to way to much. It was a lot of fun though. When I borrow a catalog from my neighbor i can post what the MM's brought. Does anyone know what the model was on the big Twin City with the canopy? It had the serial number on the plate but the model was not stamped.



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Alan K

04-11-2008 12:28:01




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to Nebraska K, 04-11-2008 11:09:52  
Im not a big twin city fan but from the picture I saw of it, if it is the same one it looked nice. Not sure of the model.



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Howard H.

04-11-2008 11:25:55




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to Nebraska K, 04-11-2008 11:09:52  

It was a 27-44. It brought $34,500. The fellow that bought it was sitting pretty close to me.

That is the only tractor I saw him bid on. I heard it was going to Montana.

It was a really straight, nice looking old tractor, but don't think it was totally original. Looked like McCormick Deering breather to me - but maybe they interchanged parts on them...

Howard



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MM ZAck

04-10-2008 09:49:54




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to sodbanger, 04-09-2008 19:29:20  
We drove 1300 miles from Oregon to attend the sale and we had the time of our lives!!! What a great event and Kruse really ran the auction well. We also attended the auction in Yuma last year and the Bridgeport auction was run much, much better. I personally love these high level auctions just because we get to talk to so many people, see how the prices are, and live on the adrenaline of bidding. Hauling home tractors is an added bonus! We bought a few MM's at the sale, the UTS-D Special being the best one. We got it running on the spot, peeled the cab off it and used it to load everything else. A friend of mine bought the G708 and it is home safe in Oregon too.

With the quantity of tractors at the sale and most of it being common stuff, the prices were about what we expected. The more rare items in all brands brought more money, of course. The MM's sold decent, but then again we are used to West Coast prices. On Saturday, the nicer tractors that were in dry storage sold really well, including the MM's.

Kruse finished selling around 8-8:30pm each night, which gave us a chance to sample the night life in Scottsbluff where we stayed. We also came prepared to BBQ our own lunch in the parking lot, complete with Miller Time. It was great!

My father and I went to preview the Gary Phillips estate when we were at the Winter PGR show in Gering. If you didn't get to see the collection, it was AMAZING! I don't think I'll ever see so many tractors and equipment again in one place. I knew that I had to attend the auction, just to experience it.

By the way, we talked to Arnie Hariman, who is mentioned in the Kruse catalog for the sale. He worked for Gary Phillips many, many years. He filled us in on the story about what happened with the estate, Kurt Aumann, Kruse, etc. About a year ago Gary wanted to start liquidating the collection. They decided to have a series of auctions, selling a few hundred tractors at a time over a couple years. In May of '07 they started lining up the tractors. Later, in August, Gary passed away. His widow, Joan, decided to sell everything all at once since she wanted out. They decided to have one big auction to sell everything and ultimately contracted with Aumann to do so. In the mean time they entertained offers to sell the place lock, stock and barrel, including the land. They were approached by three different parties to buy the whole place. Gary's guys appraised everything and gave them a number. Two of the three parties passed on the deal, but the other, a group from Texas, decided to buy the place. Joan decided to sell and that caused a friction between her and Kurt Aumann for breaching his contract. Kurt is one of the best and highly respected in the business and I can see why he would have been upset. In the meantime, the new owners decided to have an auction and ultimately hired Kruse to do so. I'm sure there will be a shake out of legal matters between Kurt and Joan.

Also, Kruse didn’t charge for parking or an entrance fee each day. The catalog was the ticket, allowing two people to enter any and all days of the sale. After the second day they recognized our group of 5 dudes and we didn’t even have to show the catalogs. I guess we’re that recognizable, or legendary, haha. Also, loading was free although since we had a running tractor and trailers with winches we were able to load ourselves. We even used the UTS-D Special to help other people load.

The weather was cold the first couple days but got really warm by the end of the week. We were walking around in t-shirts at one point.

Despite all of the comments and boycotting there were alot of people there. I don't think I've ever seen so many gooseneck trailers in one place either!

My feeling is this - tractors for sale, people who love tractor will be there, opportunity to learn more, have a great time and be immersed in the tractor world for a week - a priceless experience!

In our group of five dudes, we bought nine tractors, four parts tractors, steel wheels and other parts. A couple of the guys are Deere guys so our tractors were about half MM and half Deere. We managed to get it all out of there already and were heavily loaded on the way home.

All in all it was a trip we will talk about for many years to come and it was a wonderful experience.

I came home tan from the Nebraska sun and my wife was excited to see me.

Zack

PS - I can post a few pictures if anyone is interested.

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Alan K

04-10-2008 16:41:36




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to MM ZAck, 04-10-2008 09:49:54  
Yes please post a few pictures. Did anyone see the M670 Super "Utility"? Just curious about that one. Hadnt heard of one of those before.



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Howard H.

04-10-2008 19:56:07




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to Alan K, 04-10-2008 16:41:36  

Hi Alan -

Here are some pics - not sure why some folks keep saying everything was junk up there - I guess they have much higher standards than I do - ha:

Here was the 670 utility...


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I've got a lot more pics as I can get them uploaded to a hosting site...

Howard

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Alan K

04-11-2008 10:41:58




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to Howard H., 04-10-2008 19:56:07  
What was the story on the M670 Utility? Did someone just put M5-602 fenders and remake the wide front? Neat pictures. Thank you. I can almost feel the warmth of the weather. We are under a blizzard warning/weather advisory at the moment in MN. (Last one--I hope lol)



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Howard H.

04-11-2008 10:58:55




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to Alan K, 04-11-2008 10:41:58  

I didn't hear anyone say for sure, but I think it was a specific model.

I'm don't think the exhaust manifold was just put on upside down, and the hood didn't have an exhaust hole, as far as I remember. I didn't think to snap a pic of the serial plate.

One of my buddies slid off the road in a snowstorm near Kit Carson, CO yesterday afternoon bringing some tractors back. Luckily nothing was hurt, other than the schedule getting home, but there is some wild weather all around.

Howard

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BMG1

04-11-2008 17:40:18




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to Howard H., 04-11-2008 10:58:55  
Was the 670 serial number listed in the catalog? Can someone post it if it was?



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Howard H.

04-12-2008 19:38:11




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to BMG1, 04-11-2008 17:40:18  

I had in the book that it brought $3250...


Howard



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Howard H.

04-12-2008 08:27:58




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to BMG1, 04-11-2008 17:40:18  

It was # 5396. I don't remember what it brought, but have it written down in my book. (a friend has it right now).

Howard



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BMG1

04-13-2008 06:44:36




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to Howard H., 04-12-2008 08:27:58  
Howard,
Thanks but I'd really like to know the tractor serial number if anyone can help. It's likely a farmer modified tractor as production records do not indicate any such configuration leaving the factory. But we all know Moline did some strange things too. The serial number is the only way to tell if it was something special or just some ingenious farmers adaptation to meet his needs. My opinion is that its nothing special. Just another 670.

Brian

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Howard H.

04-10-2008 10:52:42




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to MM ZAck, 04-10-2008 09:49:54  

Sure, I'd like to see some pictures!

I took a ton also, but haven't gotten any uploaded, yet...

Howard



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Jake Winn

04-10-2008 10:16:53




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 Re: MM at Bridgeport auction - the real story in reply to MM ZAck, 04-10-2008 09:49:54  
I was there with from Oregon with Zack and three other friends. I had a great time. By Saturday we were all getting pretty tired though and ready to go home. I wouldnt have missed it for the world. Not because I had to have tractors, but I am pretty sure we would have never seen so much stuff again. We got to see and meet many great people and learn more information about the old iron we love.

I understand the hard feelings. I dont necessarly agree with what happened to Aumann. I have never heard a bad thing about this gentleman. I was also at Yuma. I felt Kruse did an ok job there and a better job at Bridgeport. They dont know as much about antique equipment as others, and they could get a bit longwinded at times, but with as many items as they had to sell, I felt they did a very good job. There were a few mixups with bids, but with that many people, it could happen to anyone.

Overall, I was glad I went. I didnt get any MM stuff. I bought a 350 Farmall parts tractor, JD 720 RC diesel, and a JD 620 LP. Others brought to the northwest were the 708, M5 diesel std, UTE, red nose UTU, and a couple more Deeres.

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Roger H MI

04-10-2008 07:03:04




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to sodbanger, 04-09-2008 19:29:20  
If it wasn"t for piror commitment I would have been there buying. I believe all prices were discounted by admission and percentage mark ups.
I really beleive that if they had an open auction they would have fetched a higher price per piece. I really feel bad I missed an event like this one. Hats off to all the buyers that got a good deal.
Roger.



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Roger - Kansas

04-10-2008 04:47:12




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to sodbanger, 04-09-2008 19:29:20  
I have kept up with all the posts on this subject on this board and all of the others here on ytmag. I chose not to go to this auction for many reasons. The first is the 10 hour drive to get there. Second I didn’t like the terms and conditions of the sale. There have been several comments on the other boards that the Molines did not sell very well. I decided to purchase locally. In the last 4 weeks I have bought the following items within 30 miles of my home.
G 1000 Diesel - loose
G 705 LP Gas - stuck
G 706 LP Gas - stuck
U LP Gas – Runs good
M5 LP Gas with loader. – Runs Good
50’s MM 5 bottom pull plow
60’s MM 4 bottom pull plow.
MM 3 bottom mounted plow.
40’s MM 2 row corn picker.
2 MM rubber tired oneways.
MM Steel Wheel oneway. 3 MM Full press drills.
3 sections of MM drag harrow –New, never used.
MM Harvester 69 combine.
I’ve heard the comments that the Moline people didn’t show up and support their brand. I feel I have, I just bought locally. Every item is within 30 miles of my home. I figured the people I bought all of these items from needed the money more than Kruse or anyone connected to the auction in Bridgeport. Each of us made the decision to go or not to go. I would like to think my decision to buy close to home is the right one.

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Howard H.

04-10-2008 05:22:08




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to Roger - Kansas, 04-10-2008 04:47:12  

I pulled my horns in on buying up there, partly because I found several tractors locally just before the sale...

But I also got WAY more for my $20 catalog fee than I've gotten for $20 in a long time - in terms of having fun talking to people from all over, watching everyone, looking at all the old iron, etc... Like my friend said, it was as much a "tractor circus" as it was an auction...

I saw firsthand the auctioneers "back up" on a bidder and then him get screwed out of the deal... But those were pretty few and far between. I'm happy with the buys I got.

And purely from a business standpoint, if I had an estate like that, it might be a tough call on which auctioneer I'd use... I've never in my life heard anyone that could auction or whip a crowd into a frenzy like the younger Kruse brother. He's about like listening to a tornado!!

Overall, I'd say they were pretty efficient at extracting every last dollar they could for the estate owner... That really is the goal of any business...


Howard

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schrocky

04-10-2008 04:28:48




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to sodbanger, 04-09-2008 19:29:20  
I will not argue with anyone but will only say it was what it was...an event that should have been attended by every serious collector who could. All other brands were represented better and sold better.



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Kevin Moschenrose

04-09-2008 22:01:57




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to sodbanger, 04-09-2008 19:29:20  
I think the whole deal with the auctioneer and the way it was conducted stunk. Any time there is a massive quantity of tractors like that it hurts the total sale of them all. It should be spread out into months at few hundred at a time. Quality not quantity I think applies here.



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billy NE

04-09-2008 19:35:29




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to sodbanger, 04-09-2008 19:29:20  
Locals disliked the whole deal but I went and I bought 2 MM's and within a few hrs at home had them both a runnin, I am HAPPY



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newmmfan

04-09-2008 19:36:48




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to billy NE, 04-09-2008 19:35:29  
looks like peer pressure got me this time, should've bid I guess



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jdputtputt

04-09-2008 19:31:24




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to sodbanger, 04-09-2008 19:29:20  
I teased Dave he bought too many JD's but the MM just did not seem to have the support, shame on all of us for letting them get scrapped, excellent auction indeed



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peehoff

04-09-2008 19:32:35




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to jdputtputt, 04-09-2008 19:31:24  
THEY WERE ALL JUNK ! and sold for the right reason



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Howard H.

04-10-2008 07:32:15




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to peehoff, 04-09-2008 19:32:35  

They weren't all junk... I know that.

My little JT is the nicest one I've found in quite a while. It was complete from breather to drawbar, with a good exhaust/intake manifold.

After the "old lot" sold there were several tractors out of there that were started and running as folks checked out their purchases.

Most of the "high-dollar row" were barn-kept runners.

Howard



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utupuller

04-10-2008 05:56:44




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to peehoff, 04-09-2008 19:32:35  
They where not all JUNK. GBD's where started and drove at the auction GB LPs where started and drove, One other post said he had 2 running with in hours. You could of bought any series of GB for under 1500 that is a very good by to me. The only reason I did not buy them was I was not willing to part with that amount of money and need to work on a stuck tractor hindsight is 20/20, I should of bid one them.

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Solid Junk

04-10-2008 18:16:29




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to utupuller, 04-10-2008 05:56:44  
What did the GBD's go for?



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utupuller

04-11-2008 21:30:30




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 Re: MM at auction in reply to Solid Junk, 04-10-2008 18:16:29  
1000-1500



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