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Jim

10-23-2001 12:13:23




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I've recently acquired my grandfather's MM.
He bought it new in 1944. It's a ZTS 612356
I would like to find out as much as possible---
Engine? HP? It seems to have an added Pto?
Was converted to a distributor from a mag?
Is it possible to convert to 12 volt? Does this
affect value?




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Jim

10-28-2001 11:51:37




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 Re: MM- ZTS in reply to Jim, 10-23-2001 12:13:23  
Thanks for your interest.
I am having a problem. I had to replace the head gasket and when I removed the coil I thought I had marked the wires well. I didn't so now I can't remember whether the distributor is connected to the + or the - side. Since the battery is a positive ground and the negative goes through the ignition, I am guessing that the ignition should be connected to the - side and the + to the distrubitor. If and one can verify this for me I would appreciate it. The coil is a delco.

Kelvin: The PTO is Painted Red. My father tells me it was added. My grandfather had an Oliver pull type combine that he pulled with the Z.

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Kelvin

10-28-2001 12:46:57




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 Re: Re: MM- ZTS in reply to Jim, 10-28-2001 11:51:37  
connect the hot wire from the switch to the + on the coil. (I know this seems backwards on positive ground systems, but it has to do with the internal winding of the coil itself.) As I understand it, the resistance is increased and spark voltage drops if it is reversed.



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Kelvin

10-27-2001 14:31:48




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 Re: MM- ZTS in reply to Jim, 10-23-2001 12:13:23  
Hi, Wow! the ZTS is one of the rarest forms of the MM Z.

There should be a plate on the engine crankcase just above the starter that tells the engine model and displacement.

Most posts I have read suggest that if the PTO has red paint on it it was an add-on. If it was on the tractor as it came down the assembly line it was painted yellow.

I don't know what you have in the way of a distribuitor, but some Z's came with distribuitors.

If it was converted using all MM parts, it requires changing the oil pump shaft drive gears on both the oil pump shaft and camshaft.

However, I have seen two other different ways to put coil ignition on a MM ZT. The first involves converting the old magneto into a distribuitor. The second involves mating an IH distribuitor and reduction gear assy to the magneto flange on the ZT block.

For horsepower, depending on the cylinder head, I guess 25-30.

It is possible to convert from 6 to 12v. I don't think this will matter much to anyone except a real restoration purist. and it will probably be much easier to crank it. I do understand that putting 12v through a 6v starter can crack the pole plate on the end of the starter, but I have not witnessed one cracking.

The way I've done my last two tractors is to get 12v generators. This probably will require rewiring your tractor if it has the one-element cutout relay. If you keep the cover on the battery box, no one will ever know.

Good Luck with your ZTS!

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walt from w.tn.

10-27-2001 13:18:43




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 Re: MM- ZTS in reply to Jim, 10-23-2001 12:13:23  
i have a zau 1949 (steering shaft down the left side hand clutch) i'm replacing the origional fuel line with a rubber hose and an inline fuel filter because my tank is full of water and trash. the rubber hose and fittings and hose clamps and inline filter cost me just over $6.00 i'll keep the origional fuel line until i fix the problem (the tank)then go back with the origional fuel line. if i don't fix the tank, then i'll be buying another one some day soon. i can fix the tank cheaper, and have a tank like new inside! there are more than one reason why some owners of old tractors switch from 6 to 12 volts, more starting power,parts for 12 volt are easier to get, very few auto electric shops have knowledge of 6 volt "positive" ground systems. if you change to 12 volt, you've got to change everything except the starter (you've got to change the solenoid on top of the starter). change the generator and regulator,light bulbs,fuses,amp guage,someone correct me if i'm wrong. i was lucky, i have a friend who works in the auto electric business and loves old tractors and engines, he replaced all the old wiring with new reproduction cloth wire and even early looking wire terminals, 6 volt systems used heavier wire than 12 volt systems. i have no problem with my 6 volt system as long as i crank it at least once a month, otherwise i'll have to put the charger on it, especially in cold weather. the 6 volt will not crank as fast, but will crank longer than 12. less volts,more amps in the same size package. if you are just using the tractor for work, then switch to 12 volt if that is the only way you will get service and help when you need it. i've had several serious offers for my z but i just them it's my junk yard tractor and i couldn't do without it.as far as collector value, thats a matter of personal taste in most cases, my opinion is, i don't like to see an old tractor restored with an alternator hanging off the side of the engine, especially if the owner had to cut,grind and weld a place to install that alternator. i'll give you a tip i had to learn the hard way about the z, it uses an odball carbureator, the marvel sheubler tsx-97.it's easy to get a overhaul kit for it but hard to find a replacement carb. only two tractors use it that i know of (if i'm wrong,someone correct me please, i really would like to know) the z-r moline and the machine that mm built that would do several jobs on one chassis, pick corn bale hay , ect. it had a v4 watercooled engine that used the same carb

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