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Turbine Dude

08-14-2002 15:46:38

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What can you guys tell me about either of these tractors? How did the 585's hold up? Were they an engine that was fairly durable and sustained high time or not. What about the Hyd system pump valves ect. Did the over under hydral shift hold up? and last but not least how well did the the transmission hold up? Any help would be greatly appreciated Thanks T-D

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Phil Munson

08-16-2002 20:09:50

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Re: Comments about the MM G1355 and White 2-150 good/bad ect. in reply to Turbine Dude, 08-14-2002 15:46:38

Some guys like fords and some guys like chevies. It seems to me the more nuts a guy can get over any brand the bigger an idiot he really is.

I have had the two stroke detroit in trucks and they worked just fine, as have the mack and cummins engines I have owned. Also have run cats, nice, but too pricey for my taste.

So what does this have to do with the MM585? I have a MM G-grand diesel, 504, bought new, over thirty five years ago, easily over ten thousand hours, runs strong, needs no overhaul. Also have a Vista G diesel, bought used, rebuilt three times that I know of before I got it. Probably I will never wear it out either; and I am not figuring on giving up for at least half of forever.

I don't care what color they are they all need "motion lotion" and if the operators are too lazy to check it and see that they have enough of it, and change it when needed, none of them will last; regardless of how many coats of green, purple, or whatever color of paint you favor. The MM 585? Someday I would love to have one in my shed. Bet it is as good as any of the rest; if run and cared for responsibly.

Hope you get a good deal and enjoy!!

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m kuhns

08-15-2002 18:43:05

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Re: Comments about the MM G1355 and White 2-150 good/bad ect. in reply to Turbine Dude, 08-14-2002 15:46:38

If you get a White 2-150 it should have an external oil pump, although the 1355's were intermixed with internal and external oil pumps. WE have a 2155 Oliver (G-1350 MM) with the 585 that we only pull because of the problem with the gears on the cam and pump shaft wearing out. We run about 350 Hp and it holds up quite well, even though we do have our problems. We also have a 2-150 White with an added on turbo that we farm with pushing 225Hp. Had it about 8 years and just overhauled it and put new clutches in the torque. I have no idea how many hours are on the tractor because the hourmeter on the tach doesen't work. THe transmission we never had any problem with. We also have a 2255 Oliver that has the same drivetrain from the engine back as the 2-150. We pull our 5,000 gallon tanker on our hills, 28 foot disc, and 11 shank chisel plow. With the weight of the loaded tanker and tractor, it is just shy of 80,000lbs The 2255 has just shy of 7,000 Hrs and we never touched the torque, transmission, or rearend. With stock Hp you will probably never have a problem with a 2-150. The hydraulics on the tractor work quite well with the closed center HYD system. The hyd operated brakes work great and last a long time. The PTO is hydraulically actuated, and the clutch discs do wear out eventually. Probably over 7,000 hrs. I enjoy driving the 2-150 tractor with all the torque it puts out. It is a great all around tractor.

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freddy

08-14-2002 21:04:05

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Re: Comments about the MM G1355 and White 2-150 good/bad ect. in reply to Turbine Dude, 08-14-2002 15:46:38

The 585 engine wasn't that bad an engine, only thing that really affected these engines were the oil pump shaft and or gears. there is this idea that you can get more oil thru a engine by turning up the pressure, that is not true. the engine actually regulates the flow thru the engine, the oil pump regulates the head pressure. second turning up the oil pressure prematurely wears out the cam gears or breaks the pump shaft.. during manufacture of this engine a change was made in oil pump shafts. the earlier engines did not have the failure rate the later engines did. we have an early 585 and haven't had any oil problems. this engine had comparable engine life to tractors of that era. I know two allis tractor with 426's a 7040 &7045 tha t didn't make past 4000hrs before they were shot. not to mention a certain 531 engine in a green tractor.

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freddy

08-14-2002 21:02:59

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Re: Comments about the MM G1355 and White 2-150 good/bad ect. in reply to Turbine Dude, 08-14-2002 15:46:38

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galen

08-14-2002 18:26:30

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Re: Comments about the MM G1355 and White 2-150 good/bad ect. in reply to Turbine Dude, 08-14-2002 15:46:38

The 585 was the weakest engine designed by moline. You must maintain high oil pressure to keep the thing going. Never heard of to much tranny problems or rear end problems. I'm only familiar with 1 1350 and 3 2-150. They are powerhouses.

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mbd

10-08-2002 19:59:05

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Re: Re: Comments about the MM G1355 and White 2-150 good/bad ect. in reply to galen, 08-14-2002 18:26:30

Just read Galen's comment about 585 being Moline's weakest engine design. Since I have one I would be interested in what is weak about this engine other than the original/early oil pump design. Mine has the external pump and looks like it was original. It is a late Model 1355 and the engine tag says "WHITE" instead of MM. I am thinking that they made modification/improvement in the oil pump (ie, put on the external one) and perhaps some other improvements and after that started tagging the 585 as a WHITE instead of MM. Anyway, are there any other problems with these engines that I need to be aware of? Mine starts easy, runs good, doesn't use oil, rides like a cadillac and has horrific power. I really like it and want to make sure I'm aware of any problem areas that I need to watch out for. Thanks for the comments.

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