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Reid S

06-13-2001 19:26:05




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My NAA has been a true jewel over the last 2 1/2 years with flawless starts running fine. My wife left the key sitch in the "ON" position for several days running down the battery. Changed battery and ran fine until it quit while cutting grass. Found primary coil wire end had corroded and lost conncetion. Without another coil wire laying around I simply trimmed insulation off old wire leaving copper core exposed and plugged into coil. Wont start now. I am pretty certain I have good connection at coil however I noticed the coil was very hot after I mistakenly left key in "ON" position for 10-15 minutes. Have may wife and I killed the coil? Is there any way to check. My NAA has 12V alternator, 12V battery and one ballast resistor(?)between start switch and coil I think. Will I need to get a 12V coil? What about OE condensor for NAA? I am planning a full tuneup this weekend but need to get ol' Henry out of the field. Any advice or comments appreciated. Thanks
Reid

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Larry

06-14-2001 06:20:09




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 Re: NAA starting problem in reply to Reid S, 06-13-2001 19:26:05  
I can't fix your problem, but I see Dell gives you sound advice. I can suggest you consider an electronic ignitor to replace your points and condenser. I put one in my NAA, it was very easy to do, and it runs great. I never even think about those points anymore. I got mine from Genesee Products, available on this site. AS for your problem, you'll find it. I had this happen to my NAA, and it was a bad (yet new) coil wire. Good Luck.

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Randall(AL)

06-14-2001 06:39:47




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 Re: Re: NAA starting problem in reply to Larry, 06-14-2001 06:20:09  
Larry, I also own a Jubilee and I've been contemplating the EI for a few years. The kit you used, were you able to retain your dust cover between the dist and cap?? If so what part# was the thing??



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Larry

06-14-2001 06:54:36




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 Re: Re: Re: NAA starting problem in reply to Randall(AL), 06-14-2001 06:39:47  
That's a question I wishied I'd asked before I did the mod. The deal was: yes, I could have used my old dust cap, but it was missing a gasket where it mates with the distributor housing. (Many people don't have this gasket, and are unaware there ever was one, I found out). So the problem that caused was that the dust cover rubbed on the little magnetic rotor that comes with the EI system, because the dust cover was sitting too low on the distributor, because the gasket was gone. Of course, Ford/New Hollnad does not sell just the gasket. Only an entire dust cover/gasket assembly, which I bought, for way too much money (~$18). I forget the part number. I suppose I could have amade a gasket, but my old dust cover was cracked anyway. I also noticed the new dust cover had a nice felt washer around where the distributor shaft comes thru, and that had also been removed from my old dust cap. Other than that, it workes very well. No more points to gap, condenser to wonder about, etc.

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Randall(AL)

06-14-2001 07:09:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: NAA starting problem in reply to Larry, 06-14-2001 06:54:36  
Thanks for the info.. You wouldn't happen to remember the Part# or could get it (the one on your EI kit)????? I tried to put one of the Pertronix kits (Genesee markets Pertronix kits) on mine and the donut and pickup sensor sat too high to use the dust cover which has to be used on our tractors. I think the kit I had was 1245. What # was yours????? ?



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Dell (WA)

06-13-2001 22:20:01




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 Re: NAA starting problem in reply to Reid S, 06-13-2001 19:26:05  
Reid..... ..now this is the kinda question I like to see and answer, lots of pertinent information.

1) hot coil, kinda normal, most people never go round feeling their coil so they don't ever realize, they do run warm to the touch and get hot if the key is left on. The round coil is much more robust than the square frontmount ignition coil of the 9Ns, 2Ns, 8Ns, so off the top of my head I don't think you really have a coil problem.

2) condensor is usually fairly reliable but they always sell 'em with bubble pack of points, 6 or 12 volts, no matter the're 200 volt condensors.

3) your "ballast" resistor is part of the 12 to 6 volt conversion. It is a cheep way to do the job because resistor is cheaper than a proper 12 volt ignition coil. Your choice, get a real 12 volt ignition coil that is designed to run straight without any ballast resistors, OR continue to use a good 6 volt coil with yer current good 12 to 6 volt converting resistor.

Myself, I'd use a real 12 volt coil. CAUTION: Ford is selling a generic 12 volt coil that requires a resistor, thats not the one you want. You may have to go to a "hotrod" shop to get a real 12 volt coil.

4) runs fine until it quit, don't they all? (grin) this is a little more tricky to dianogose. Anywhere from dead battery again, bad ignition switch, bad wiring, bad ignition points, bad coil, bad ballast resistor. Now don't go replacing parts wiily-nilly because then you'll never know. Get a $10 voltmeter from your local mega-hardware store and start verifying that you have electrics all the way thru to the ignition points. When you loose your volts, figger out why and fix it..... ....Dell

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Reid S

06-14-2001 16:24:57




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 Re: Re: NAA starting problem in reply to Dell (WA), 06-13-2001 22:20:01  
As I sit here waiting pateintly for my dear wife to return with my fix it parts I wanted to thank you all of your for the advice. If I put a true 12V coil on do I need to remove existing resistor? How can one determine the voltage rating on a coil and if it's bad or not?? As I understand, it is a simple primary secondary transformer setup..?? I hope it's just a coil wire...going after volt/ohm/amp meter and track things down I suppose before sun sets. Keep ya'll posted..grass is getting real high now. Thanks again

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Reid S

06-14-2001 16:24:36




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 Re: Re: NAA starting problem in reply to Dell (WA), 06-13-2001 22:20:01  
As I sit here waiting pateintly for my dear wife to return with my fix it parts I wanted to thank you all of your for the advice. If I put a true 12V coil on do I need to remove existing resistor? How can one determine the voltage rating on a coil and if it's bad or not?? As I understand, it is a simple primary secondary transformer setup..?? I hope it's just a coil wire...going after volt/ohm/amp meter and track things down I suppose before sun sets. Keep ya'll posted..grass is getting real high now. Thanks again

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Dell (WA)

06-14-2001 19:52:38




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 Re: Re: Re: NAA starting problem in reply to Reid S, 06-14-2001 16:24:36  
Reid..... . You ask "If I put a true 12V coil on do I need to remove existing resistor?" from my post: "get a real 12 volt ignition coil that is designed to run straight without any ballast resistors", the answer is: NO RESISITOR with a real 12 volt coil.

Ignition coil 101. Ignition coils are a class of transformers called auto-transformers, meaning they have a common internal terminal to both the primary and the secondary windings.

Unfortunately, there is no good or eazy shadetree mechanic test for ignition coils with meters. It takes specialize lab grade electronic test equipment, most dealers don't want their mechanics squandering time muckin'round testing coils, its replace 'em if'n any doubt.

About the only tests a shade tree mechanic can do is determine coil continituty. Most coils have about 1 ohm primary winding resistance and about 5000 ohm secondary winding resistance. Most ohm meters are not very accurate in reading less than 1 ohm. And yet a fraction of an ohm change in the primary could mean loss of several Killovolts in the secondary and not enuff for the sparkies. Which is why, if'n in doubt, replace 'em..... ...Dell

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