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2N Hyd. Oil Leak???

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AndyB

06-25-2001 13:20:33




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A while back I posted a message with various questions regarding my '47 2N - responses were great, thanks to all.

One of the questions dealt with a leak from the vent hole just behind the engine. At the time I wasn't sure if it was engine oil or hydraulic fluid, now I'm sure it is the latter. I have strapped on a coffee can under the belly to catch the "drippings" which get worse after I shut off from running, I can get a cup or so each time. The leaking fluid is dark to black, however when I remove the cover plates at the rear to look into PTO issues the fluid is "new" colored (light greenish brownish) ...

One additional note that throws a monkey in the mix - the tractor has a "Sherman" high/low transmission added which causes me greif when I try to match views with my I&T manual.

My questions are these:
1) If all three chambers (Sherman, std trans, rear end)share the same "fluid" why would I be getting black drippings from the front vent yet overall the fluid looks clean, and even more confusing,
2) Why doesn't the other vent leak? I guess I'm not sure of the "chambering" and fluid transfer between the three areas. It seems to me that from the pictures in the manual the original, without Sherman, would have had a "dry" chamber between the trans and the engine (clutch).

Maybe those with more experience could shed some light on the situation. I imagine that if I crack it open I'll find out what's inside but it seems like that might be a nice winter project.

Thanks for "listening"

Andy.

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Big Mike

06-25-2001 23:52:35




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 Re: 2N Hyd. Oil Leak??? in reply to AndyB, 06-25-2001 13:20:33  
I removed a Sherman Combo (high/low) from a 8N tractor last week. The adapter plate was loose but since the sockethead capscrews are trapped between the adapter and sherman it did not fall completly apart. The Sherman DOES share fluid with the rest of the tractor, there is a slinger ring to direct fluid into the Sherman. I would plan on splitting the tractor as soon as you can.... Big Mike



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Dell (WA)

06-25-2001 22:20:34




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 Re: 2N Hyd. Oil Leak??? in reply to AndyB, 06-25-2001 13:20:33  
Andy..... .believe it or not, all that black oil yer drippin is clean hydraulic fluid leaking out your tranny input shaft seal and picking up the dust from your clutch plate. Most leakers don't leak a cup at a time.....but.....UNLESS your doing a lot of plowing or brushogging, you can safely operate your tractors 5 gal hydros 2 qts low. Which would probably slow down the leakin a whole bunch..... ..Dell, who predicts a tractor split in your future (grin)

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roperboy

06-25-2001 19:05:35




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 Re: 2N Hyd. Oil Leak??? in reply to AndyB, 06-25-2001 13:20:33  
andy, the sherman has its own fluid and the only way to service it is to split the tractor. because of the loss of hyd fluid it sounds like the seal between the sherman and the trans is leaking. i have my 47 2n split right now (has sherman also) and if you need me to look at anything to give you a better picture let me know. you can e-mail me.



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Kevin CO

06-25-2001 13:25:46




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 Re: 2N Hyd. Oil Leak??? in reply to AndyB, 06-25-2001 13:20:33  
Is it possible that you are leaking engine oil, maybe from the rear main seal?



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Keith_Md

06-25-2001 13:53:51




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 Re: Re: 2N Hyd. Oil Leak??? in reply to Kevin CO, 06-25-2001 13:25:46  
Sounds like the input shaft seal to the transmission is leaking. The sherman aux. transmission retains it's own fluid, only the original 3 or 4 speed transmission (depending on model) and differential/hydralic pump share fluid. Plus the sherman does not hold that much fluid, only a quart or two total. I am about 99% sure you have to split the tractor to make the repair, and at that time you would probally want to replace the input shaft bearings, and do a complete inspection of the transmission. If you can get by with adding fluid until the winter, that is probally your best bet, because I would imagine you would have your tractor out of service for a week or so making these repairs. Good luck with it!

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AndyB

06-25-2001 14:18:00




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 Re: Re: Re: 2N Hyd. Oil Leak??? in reply to Keith_Md, 06-25-2001 13:53:51  
Thanks for the quick reply "Kieth Md", however I'm now concerned that I'm not adding fluid in the right place to fill the "Sherman" sump and it'll probably by just about dry by now!!! Is there a different fill location for the "aftermarket" trans?



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AndyB

06-25-2001 13:29:30




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 Re: Re: 2N Hyd. Oil Leak??? in reply to Kevin CO, 06-25-2001 13:25:46  
I check engine oil every single time I go to run. Haven't lost a drip - I've had to replace about a gallon of hydraulic fluid in less than a month.



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Kevin CO

06-25-2001 13:25:46




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 Re: 2N Hyd. Oil Leak??? in reply to AndyB, 06-25-2001 13:20:33  
Is it possible that you are leaking engine oil, maybe from the rear main seal?



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layne

06-25-2001 13:25:43




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 Re: 2N Hyd. Oil Leak??? in reply to AndyB, 06-25-2001 13:20:33  
not much help but look for some gaskets.



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