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I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments

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9N'er

07-13-2001 08:37:42




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My story, or the one my wife wrote below is typical of thousands of people from all walks of life both young and old, new firefighters and seasoned veterans. But I'm not a hero. The heros are those that can avoid death and dying but forecast events, and prevent crews from becoming caught in a situation that may have been predicted and avoided.

I am not sure why, at this point, there are reports of heroism, of some firefighters doubling up in their fire shelters for those that did not have one. That blows me away, after all of the training, how some can be sent to the line without their fire shelter on their work belt or web gear is a real tragedy.

I'm not a hero...just lucky and the heros are those that can live to tell about it, and those that died for some reason that could not have been predicted.

There is a compelling book called "Young Men and Fire" by Norman McClean. He wrote "A River Runs through It".

It is a must for those who enjoy a real life story and insight about the lives and men during the 40's sent to jump out of airplanes to put the fire out.

It's a story about a crew that got caught in a blow up, and it's a tragedy. Very similar to the one that occured this week.

Thanks for your thoughts, but I am not a hero...

tom

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Chuck (CA)

07-14-2001 19:38:20




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 Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to 9N'er, 07-13-2001 08:37:42  
Tom, As you may or may have not noticed, I haven't done much posting lately; work, tinkering, wood stoves, etc. have kept me pretty busy, but I have to take some time out to disagree with you. Like a lot of the good folks who were on this board last year at this time, Bonnie and I were praying for your safe return. The fires were horrible in August and we were all feeling a bit of empathy for your wife.
What you did was the very description of heroism. I always enjoyed reading your trials and tribulations with the resurrection of the Whimpster, but after you returned, I read your escapades with a whole new feeling of admiration.
If your ever out in northern California, It would do me proud to buy you a beer.
Your friend,
Chuck

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Ed Gooding (VA)

07-14-2001 05:35:48




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 Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to 9N'er, 07-13-2001 08:37:42  
Yeah, you are Tom. Anyone who risks their life, and anyone who accepts the possiblity that they may be permanently removed from the arms of their loved ones, and still goes out of their way to help or save others is a real hero in my book. The world would be a better place with more folks like you, bud.

We appreciate what you do..... ....Ed
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Real heroes always say that...

07-14-2001 04:45:24




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 Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to 9N'er, 07-13-2001 08:37:42  



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Jerry WI

07-13-2001 20:18:29




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 Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to 9N'er, 07-13-2001 08:37:42  
9Ner, Your a hero to me. Thanks for being on the line. You and your buddies are the best.



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smokie

07-13-2001 18:07:03




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 Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to 9N'er, 07-13-2001 08:37:42  
9ner tom if i may i got this name from my tractor but i have been a vol.firefiter sence my teens in my late 40s now my folks cant understand it why i dont do it for a livein yousee i have all my reqired trainin and then some . all i can tell them is i see enough usless loses of life and propert as a volinter and then you see in the news store like this on .i just could not see it everyday .....as a lively hood .
we have gotin rain now down here in florida so i hope we wont relive the firestorm of a couple a years ago well thats enough of that from me tom you keep a eye on that wind and remember god dose look out for those how do the job that has to done just becouse it has to done.....

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Brent D

07-13-2001 13:36:02




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 Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to 9N'er, 07-13-2001 08:37:42  
9Ner, if you aren't a hero then just how much DO they pay you to do that? A couple Million $$ a year? It would take something like that to get me to do that. Nice work, but I too wonder what happened to our "let it burn" policy that was debated in the late 80s after the YNP fires. I work and play in lots of National Forests and can see that a little fire would be a good thing in many cases.

Off topic perhaps, but your's is one of the more interesting and heroic occupations among folks on this board. One of my exstudents does this now in Arizona (and wherever else they send him).

Brent

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Tom-Pa

07-13-2001 11:27:33




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 Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to 9N'er, 07-13-2001 08:37:42  
9N'er,

I worked the Mt.Palomar fire in '87 as a communicator. We were burned out of 3 camps before setting up around the observatory itself.
(I had to move my comm gear each time) I provide a welcome comm message link to home for weary firefighters who have been away from home for long periods. Some going from fire to fire. That was a bad year also..But, I have to admire the men and women who actually fought the fire on the line. They risked there lives so others don't have to..9N'er/Tom, You da MAN!!!!! !

Don't be shy guy, accept your due

Congratulations,
Tom-Pa

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goinnutts (pat)

07-13-2001 11:22:05




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 Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to 9N'er, 07-13-2001 08:37:42  
you are being to humble!!!!! you are a hero in a lot of peoples eyes, you think you are doing your job ,,but the lives ya save ,, make it all worth it,, I live in the upstate ny area so dont have to worry about fires on that kind of scale ,, but if I did I know I would want guys like you around to give it your all,,,I have family in the fire fighting realm and see that there "job" is tough around here it is vollenteer,,, and I respect them and all you guys and girls who risk it all,,,,, just wanted to say thanks and god bless you and your family Pat

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rbell

07-13-2001 09:37:03




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 Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to 9N'er, 07-13-2001 08:37:42  
9Ner, contrary to your claim, you are a hero. I too have fought my share of wild fires (though not on the western scale) and many structure fires.
I am now however old enough to wonder why we fight natures way of clearing wild lands. I see the way people let brush build up around there residences in CA and I know why they loose homes. That can be greatly reduced by cutting back the brush.
However, the wild lands have survived and flourished long before we started fighting fires.
Have we wasted the lives of many fine heros in a not so smart attempt to control nature?
I am old and tired and I wonder is it worth the loss of our fine young people.

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9N'er

07-14-2001 09:55:13




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 Re: Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to rbell, 07-13-2001 09:37:03  
I'm with you. The problem the "white man" has inflicted on the natural land cycle of life and death has now caught up to us in the later part of this century.

100 years of putting fires out has built up and increased fuel levels and changed microclimates to the point that conflagrations are now major conflagations...and with the increased likelihood of more and more big fires, are the increased chances for the waste of human life and more tragedy.

Unfortunately, there will be more deaths.

And, we need to examine our role in the natural cycle of the land, and do more prescribed and controlled burns more often to try and reduce what has now become a national problem.

I hear ya.

tom

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Firmarbil

07-15-2001 17:29:33




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 Re: Re: Re: I'm not a hero, but I appreciate the sentiments in reply to 9N'er, 07-14-2001 09:55:13  
I've been a volunteer firefighter for over 20 years. Every time I here of a brother or sister firefighter killed in the line of duty brings a tear to my eye. Just this last week we lost several firefighters in Washington State. Last month in New York 3 firefighters lost their lifes.
Firefighters are here to protect life and property, and in doing so they sometimes will killed. Be it paid or volunteer death does not discriminate. We are all human. We must never let our guard down, and we must train constantly.
In my region of central New Jersey we do not have forest fires. However in South Jersey we do. My hat's off to all men and women who do forest firefighting.

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