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Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging?

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Rich8N

07-23-2001 11:26:48




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A bunch of suburbanites have invaded my area with 5 acre lotes in the middle of the corn fields.

I got stopped driving by with the N with the hog on it and they want me to cut the weeds.

So far they have raised my taxes by bring in a bunch of kids and now the school says they need 34 million more which is about 300.00 more on my taxes a year and they passed it retroactive
to last year,

Plus bidding up the price of land which is fine if I sold but have raised the taxes over a grand a year during the past 5 years or so.

Bottom line is, I'm not thrilled with their
being there and don't intend on giving them a buddy break.

So whats a fair price? 25.00 an hour? More less
what the concensus among you hoggers?

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Scott40N MI

07-24-2001 09:35:56




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
Rich you really have to weight this one out. I have a guy who moved in next door, rather scummy single wide on a real nice river front lot. Was going to buy the lot myself to raise my acerage to 12 with 2000 ft. of river front but the township said it was not buildable (too low)so never did. They (the guy) purked it and now it's history. I don't care for the man but he let the weeds go to about 5' or so and had no way to cut. Almost killed his lawn tractor..... big dummy. He asked how much to cut it and I replied "nothing". You see I believe in back scratching. I may need his assistance some day and in my case it was better just to get it over with. Anyway just used a finish mower on my 61 yr. old buddy Nell and it looks like a fairway now. In your case it sounds like this is not just a one time deal so consider everything. Could you benefit from giving these yuppies a deal? My 2 cents. Scott

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dale b

07-24-2001 05:19:34




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
i moved up to the country about 15 years ago from the city. as a child i worked for my unckle during the summer holidays on a horse ranch, so i had a pretty good understanding of country life.
i first started off by renting a farm for 2 years to see if country life is what i really wanted.15 years later i now own { or should i say the bank} a 200 acre farm, and i have never looked back. we are lucky that there are no subdivisions with in a 7-10 mile radious of us.
i remember the first couple of years we needed a lot of help and advise. the local farmers were great to us , and only laughed at us a few hundred times.
i dont think we would still be here if not for the kindness of the locals.keep in mind that one day you may need help, so please go easy on these new neighbours. i think $50/hour for a 2 hour min.is fair.
we are all in this together. if we work together, this earth will be a better place.
thats just my two cents
dale b
ontario canada

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Jim

07-23-2001 19:06:10




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
SW Wisconsin last year the going rate was around 35/hr for equipment and add 10/hour for operator - 45/hr total



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smokie

07-23-2001 18:35:44




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
first rule of buisness i lerned do not turn customers away price them away what would it cost you to replace your trust n that you worked so hard to get goin again what would you us while you were fixin it . i have been asked the same from my nabores i tell them shes old and the only work she will be doin for the rest of her days is for me after i am gone the next fella can do with her what he wants

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JimNC

07-23-2001 19:10:47




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N Our Schools are nothing more than socialist re-edu Camps, 07-23-2001 15:50:42  
That is why I took my chidren out of public school 4 years ago. When you here the term "The dumbing down of America" it is true. It starts in most, not all schools. I have seen it first hand with two of my children. I home school all three now. We teach them to be thier own person and make thier own decisions. Not brainwash them with loads of crap that has nothing to do with nothing.



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Tom-Pa + + Link #1

07-23-2001 15:17:40




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
Rich, I have two links for you that may help.
This is link #1
Tom-Pa



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Tom-Pa+++Link #2

07-23-2001 15:19:52




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Tom-Pa + + Link #1 , 07-23-2001 15:17:40  
Rich, Here is link #2
Tom-Pa



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JimNC

07-23-2001 14:54:41




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
I was going to do the same thing when I get my N running , to help pay itself for all the $$$ it has cost me so far in bringing her back to life. Make her work for a living so to speak. The rental companies around here charge $150-$200 a day for the use of a tractor and bushhog, they deliver and pick it up. So break it off in'um you'll be happy you did.



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Boogity in OH

07-23-2001 13:47:36




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
One thing that kind of irks me about the spread of suburban cancer is that they BRING THE CITY WITH THEM! About 6 years ago and 15 miles from my place my wife's widoed aunt sold 400 acres to a middle aged couple. They promptly hired a surveyor to subdivide 300 acres into 10-15 acre lots. All of the houses are built now and along comes rules and regulations for such things as how tall your grass can be, what type of animals can be left outdoors (they're complaining about a nearby pig farm and want to shut him down), what type of out buildings you can have, what type of vehicles can be left in your yard and how long, a ban on burning, etc., etc., etc. Not to mention all of the un-disciplined pseudo-adults with their hopped-up 90MPH ATV's. This developement is laid out such that it boarders five pre-existing farms. Farming is hard enough and now they have a bunch of new rulemakers to put up with.

Overpopulation is the world's #1 most serious problem!

Charge them as much as you can.

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tlak

07-24-2001 06:52:03




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Boogity in OH, 07-23-2001 13:47:36  
We lived in an area where they raised the taxes to build schools, etc for all the people moving into the area. You would think that if there’s that many people moving into the area that they would bring a big enough tax base with them to cover their expenses. In most situations most of the new rules and regulations don’t apply to the prior population because their grand fathered in. In the little town we live in most of the people you talk to if you say cant you get the city to fix that they say Oh they wont do anything. So where has the connection been lost between the people and any of the Gov entities (schools etc) when elected by the people are no longer there to help or work for the people? heres what the teachers had to do a 100 years ago.TEACHERS' WAYS 100 YEARS AGO


The customs of the day have a great deal to do with what goes on in
the classroom and maybe not raising taxes and teachers pay..


About 100 years ago, teachers had to follow very strict rules. In
the early 1900s a woman teacher might have signed a contract agreeing:


1. To wear at least two petticoats.
2. Never to wear dresses that were more than two inches above
her ankles.
3. To wear dark-colored clothes.
4. Never to dye her hair.
5. Never to smoke cigarettes.
6. To be at home from 8 o'clock at night until 6 o'clock in the
morning, unless she were at a school meeting.
7. To get a good night's sleep every night.
8. Not to stay downtown in ice cream parlors too long.
9. Not to go out with men.
10. Never to get married.
11. To sweep the schoolroom floor every day.
12. To scrub the schoolroom floor weekly.
13. To start a fire in the schoolhouse every morning so the room
would be warm when the children arrived.

A mayor of one town started enought projects and managed the towns money well enough that the town became self sufficent. This probably doesnt apply to every town because of various resources available but I bet most are run like our town "thats the way we always did it".

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Dave Smith You Absolutley

07-24-2001 04:01:48




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Boogity in OH, 07-23-2001 13:47:36  
Hit the nail right on the head.
Dave <*)))><



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Steve T in WI

07-23-2001 12:59:20




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
Here is what I would do. Charge them by lot size and the fee is some frosty cold Coors or Coors Light (beer the universal language/currency). A twelver for 5 acres. If you actually charge them, and for some unexplainable reason you happen to run over thier well cap, mound tank vent, or God forbid the family pet, they can legally hold you responsible. At least thats what the farmer down the road tells me. He cuts my field when it gets out of control and the pay back is bailing and stacking hay. I think he's getting the better part of the deal, but honestly I don't mind.

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Steve W...one of those suburbanites!

07-23-2001 12:42:36




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
Well....since none of the farmers has figured out how to make any money, the land might as well be used for something. I agree that it's unfotunate, but there is one farm for every 100 there were in 1950, so you better get used to it.

I don't charge anything to my new neighbors as they invade (your words) and I've got some good neighbors. I figure, unless I buy the land, they got just as much right to it as I. That is what makes America great. If I break something on my N, it might just as well have happenned on my land. No big deal.

And if you want a bunch of undereducated kids, then keep voting down the school tax increases. Then you can complain about how good intelligent help is hard to find.

In the long run, nice big yuppie houses will increase the value of your property more than your taxes.....

byt the way....75 dollars an hour sounds about right.

Take Care
Steve

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Dave 50 8n

07-24-2001 09:10:13




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Steve W...one of those suburbanites!, 07-23-2001 12:42:36  
Steve,

I don't think you understand these guys or the situation.

And money doesn't make good schools.

And money doesn't make the man, for that matter.



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Larry

07-24-2001 07:58:11




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Steve W...one of those suburbanites!, 07-23-2001 12:42:36  
I live on my family farm, and I charge $65 to cut yuppie weeds. There used to be nothing but corn and hay all around my modest 50 acre farm, for more than 200 years. Then, suburbanites 'invaded'. Now, every house wife and soccer mommy complains about the noise of the hay operations, the noise of the corn operations, the smell when I spread my cow crap, etc etc. Together with the liberal elite from the local school, they are trying to 'outlaw' night time and weekend farm operations. Outlaw it. I wish they would all go back to their 0.5 acre lots, and leave my farm alone. And if our education system is working so well, how come their kids are so stupid, smoking pot every night on my property? Plus, my school tax went up $1000 since '97. Nice job.

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rbell

07-23-2001 13:10:53




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Steve W...one of those suburbanites!, 07-23-2001 12:42:36  
Well Steve, I see many schools begging for higher taxes, smaller classes, and more sports stuff. I do not however, see any improvement in the grades of the students. I am willing to bet you can not find one in one hundred high school graduates today that could pass the 8th grade exam from the one room school of 100 years ago. Money does not a good school make.



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Salmoneye-Amen!

07-23-2001 13:25:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to rbell, 07-23-2001 13:10:53  
I have had the privelage of living in the same town all my life.
I have seen it go from agrarian to suburban.
I have also seen the school go from 30+ kids per class to less than 20. The 'physical plant' has more than doubled in that time. The test scores are consistantly mediocre where they used to be well above average.
If the answer were to throw more money at it, then we would have the smartest children going.
But it just does not work that way...

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roperboy

07-23-2001 13:47:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Salmoneye-Amen!, 07-23-2001 13:25:29  
how to keep the grades up? teach your kids how to work and play outside using their imagination. keep them off nintendo games,comp games and tv. they do nothing but suck the life and imagination out of them. they should be outside building things and digging in the sand and such. my 8 yr son and 6 yr daughter helped me put up 500 bales the other day and didnt hear a complaint from either.



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Greg VT

07-23-2001 13:42:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Salmoneye-Amen!, 07-23-2001 13:25:29  
I was lucky enough to grow up in a family that didn't require both parents working long hours to pay for the new house in the "country", or the new SUV to get us to hockey practice in the snow, or the never ending raising of the school taxes. I learned far more at home then I ever did in elementary school. I thank my folks for putting their priorities on raising us right and not letting the education system do it for them.

Sounds like we're not to far apart on the map Salmoneye.

Greg VT

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Salmoneye

07-23-2001 13:57:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Greg VT, 07-23-2001 13:42:49  
My familys' barns burned the year I was born or I would be farming today.
I spent lots of years working dairy farms and sugaring.
Both my parents worked, but we grew up next door to my moms'family so it never seemed to us like we were deprived of their company or guidance. And my Gram was a lot more strict than my parents anyway :-) If we spoke out of turn or disrespected ANYONE...we were called on it and learned our mistake. To this day, the sight of a stone boat is enough to give me the willies!

I was lucky enough to be able to pay off the house and the vehicles before my wife and I had our daughter. I believe so much in your views about parenting that I have been home for the last 4 years. Our daughter is polite, intelligent, outgoing, and she knows how to drive an 8N. Can't wait till she can reach the pedals, but for now steering is good enough (please...no lectures about how dangerous that is).

PS...I am about 12 miles south of Burlington in Charlotte...Where are you?...

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Greg VT

07-24-2001 08:04:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Salmoneye, 07-23-2001 13:57:40  
My Grandma played a big role in bringing me up also. Even though she's gone now, to this day she's the "angel" on my shoulder talking sense to me when I need it.

I'm 40 miles north of Burlington in Sheldon, about 10 miles from the house I was born and raised in.

Do you know of any tractor shows coming up in the area? Greg



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Salmoneye

07-24-2001 09:53:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Greg VT, 07-24-2001 08:04:01  
Other than the Champlain Valley Fair, not off hand.
There should be a fair number of nice machines there though...



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Brent D

07-23-2001 12:09:44




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
Try this from the other end. Rather than ask what you think they should expect to pay, quote them a price that's what would be willing to do it for. If it's exhorbinate in their eyes, tough. If not, then you're happy, they're happy, life goes on.

You might not like neighbors, neither do I, but exactly where should they go, and who dictates where they are allowed? Welcome to America.

I'd love to see one of the school tax initiatives pass around here, and I don't even have kids. Count yourself lucky that they care enough about education to be willing to pay for it. Then charge them $75/hr for the brush cut, or better yet a fixed fee for the whole year (cut once/twice/whatever - agreed to before hand).

Brent

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Andy - Hammond, LA

07-23-2001 12:08:39




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
Yeah, prices down here are about $35-50 an hour with 2-3 hour minimum. Subdwellers with their Suburbans can easily afford the higher end of that. I would go $50 a hour/min of 2-3 hours. You might want to draft a little work contract/release for them to sign since you might not have business insurance. Would hate for one of them to bring you to small claims court about you running over some yuppie euro-sundial or a $1000 sago palm tree or something. (grin)

Go figure and good luck making some extra $$$ to pamper your N with!

Andy

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Sal

07-23-2001 12:05:06




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
Here in my Central NY I know of 2 folks who do hog for $, the charge:

$75 base plus $60 hour with a 2 hour minimum = $195 minimum charge.

These guys are insured and this is only a small part of thier businesses. They tell me they turn a lot of hog work down and only do it for customers they know really well and limit the amount to less than 4-5 acres. The liability is a big issue for these guys.

Lot's of new folks comming to the "country suburbs" that have been growing lately. Building lots of 2-10 acres are common in my area now...and many of the new folks get bent out of shape when they hear a tractor at 7 in the morn on a Saturday or a chain saw for 4 hours in the afternoon...and they really don't like the smell of a cow pie or a cow giving birth at 2 in the morning in the field behind thier new colonial home.

Why many of these people move out here is beyound me, they seem to want farm ways to stop and accomodate them...they like to see a barn out thier window, but no animal sounds/smells or equipment noise

IMHO

Sal

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goinnutts {pat}

07-23-2001 15:48:05




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Sal, 07-23-2001 12:05:06  
hey sal, where abouts in central ny are ya????? im over here outside of norwich,, between utica and binghamton,,,,enjoy the weathere ,,, get yur wood cut and keep mowin,,, pat



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Sal

07-23-2001 19:06:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to goinnutts {pat}, 07-23-2001 15:48:05  
Hey Pat, My land is about 44 acres in a place called Elbridge, it is exactly halfway between Syracuse and Auburn on Rt. 5. Nice place with woods, meadows, old gravel beds and a great trout stream. Your area has got some great country too!



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Brent D

07-23-2001 12:56:41




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Sal, 07-23-2001 12:05:06  
Those relocated suburburanites don't like the sound of tractors and chainsaws for a reason. They got tired of listening to the sound of lawnmowers and weedeaters. Sorry to say, that my one new neighbor just has to mow 3 acres of grass twice a week around his house. Why he has to do this, I don't know. But I get to hear it every Saturday morning and Wednesday evening. So, they get to listen to my tractor and saw, as I am their new neighbor.

I don't think they want "farm ways". Certainly, I don't. There are lots and lots of reasons to live in the country besides the perfume.

Brent

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Gene Miller '48 8N

07-23-2001 12:35:37




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Sal, 07-23-2001 12:05:06  
Well Sal, I agree with you as this is happening here in the Austin Texas area and I guess I WAS one of 'em! Difference is I came out here to raise Longhorns and coastal hay and started with 27 acres of mixed forest/meadows and still hold an Engineering job weekdays. I'm no spring chicken as I turn 51 tomorrow but I don't mind the long hours I spend working on my ranch and my 8N.

As for brush hoggin' their weeds I've been charging a flat rate of $100 per acre since it IS wear and tear on both me, my tractor and the hog. I also bought a 16 foot trailer to haul my 8N and hog around so I don't have to drive the tractor there. I've got more takers than complainers and I too don't have the time to do them all.

Since I got here I've had a new well dug, Aerobic septic system installed and now having a new ranch house built. I've delivered 4 calves and one I had to pull out with my tractor! I've learned a lot in a pretty short time and the "old timers" seem to be amused but they really do help when I need it. I guess I just don't understand why people move out to the country when they really don't enjoy the sights and smells of it.

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Salmoneye

07-23-2001 11:37:55




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 Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Rich8N, 07-23-2001 11:26:48  
Going rate here in Yuppie filled bedroom communities of Burlington, Vermont is $50/Hour...



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CharlesC(MO)

07-23-2001 11:50:34




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 Re: Re: Whats a fair rate for custom brushhogging? in reply to Salmoneye, 07-23-2001 11:37:55  
From your post, I agree $50.00/hr, 2hr minimum.

If they are a "good" neighbor, I'll go $25.00/hr.

Remember, you break it you eat it. If you know the ground - not to worry, but if you don't know what's out there - Murphy's Law says YOU WILL FIND IT AND IT WILL BREAK YOUR TOY.

Quote'em a rate that you can live with. If they think it too high, they'll stop bugging you, if thay think it's a fair price, then both are happy.

Be safe and don't play with yellow jackets!

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