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About Coyotes and Intelligent Tinkering

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9N'er and A. Le

07-24-2001 09:22:20




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Aldo Leopold's Worldview of Land-use

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Leopold's community methaphor for land-use is the basis for his Land-ethic. Leopolds words follow:

"All ethics so far evolved rest upon a single premise that the individual is a member of a community of interdependent parts. His instincts prompt him to compete for his place in the community, but his ethics prompt him also to co-operate (perhaps in order that there may be a place to compete for).

The land ethic simply enlarges the boundaries of the community to include soils, waters, plants, and animals, or collectively: the land."

"In short, a land ethic changes the role of Homo sapiens from conqueror of the land-community to plain member and citizen of it. It implies respect for his fellow-members, and also respect for the community as such."

Leopold shows how the "Economic" worldview can not protect the wildlife or the plants. His criticism shows the necessity of abandonment of a strictly economic worldview.

"One basic weakness in a conservation system based wholly on economic motives is that most members of the land community have no economic value. Wild-flowers and songbirds are examples. of the 22,000 higher plants and animals native to Wisconsin, it is doubtful weather more than 5 per cent can be sold, fed, eaten, or otherwise put to economic use. Yet these creatures are members of the biotic community, and if (as I believe) it stability depends on its integrity, they are entitled to continuance."

"The 'key-log' which must be moved to release the evolutionary process for an ethic is simply this: quit thinking about decent land-use as solely an economic problem. Examine each question in terms of what is ethically and esthetically right, as well as what is economically expedient.

A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it does otherwise."

I think this quote is the heart of the matter. Few landowners view there land as just an investment; for the most part it is home.

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Colin in WI

07-24-2001 14:54:17




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 Re: About Coyotes and Intelligent Tinkering in reply to 9N'er and A. Leopold, 07-24-2001 09:22:20  
Thanks 9N'er for thoughtful comments on the coyote issue. As a former New Englander (mostly Vermonter) now living in SE Wisconsin, I sometimes feel like I've fallen out of the frying pan and into the fire. Development in these parts is outpacing our ability to deal with it. I often feel all the resentment that others expressed about city folks moving to the country and bringing the city with them rather than adopting the country way of life. However, the constructive way is to establish good land use plans and follow them carefully. Aldo Leopold had many good ideas and we should be cognizant of them as we plan and develop. By the way, I'm a town Plan Commission member and involved in rewriting our town's Master Land Use Plan. To the extent I can, I will try to slow the crawl of suburbia and try to celebrate what's good and what's left.
Back to the coyotes...I have cattle, calves, sheep, lambs and chickens running around here and almost every night hear coyotes yipping and howling all around. I've never been tempted to shoot one of them and they have returned the favor by not bothering my livestock. When they do, I'm prepared to handle it. Until then, I just like to hear them playing.

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Steve W

07-24-2001 12:35:24




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 Re: About Coyotes and Intelligent Tinkering in reply to 9N'er and A. Leopold, 07-24-2001 09:22:20  
9n'er, as usual, you shed intellegent light on a subject. Sometimes in this forum, you have to be careful about what you write, because unless someone knows you, misunderstandings can happen.

Yesterday I made a flippant comment about school taxes and being a yuppie. The comments that followed weren't what I expected, but I guess I should have been prepared.

I am guilty of sometimes writing just to stir up conversation, but I have to admit I get frustrated by those who have all the answers on topics like freedom, land use, individual rights, etc.

I especially liked this comment you provided by Aldo Leopold:
"In short, a land ethic changes the role of Homo sapiens from conqueror of the land-community to plain member and citizen of it. It implies respect for his fellow-members, and also respect for the community as such."

As I get older I find myself having more and more questions to arguments I was sure I once knew the answers to. Because of this, I find myself in awe of the ignorance of those who are so sure of themselves.

Questions like "If seat belt laws are so stupid, why stop there.....why not get rid of stop signs....these violate my personal freedoms". (that was meant to illustrate the point....I don't really believe this. similar oservations can be made about gun use, property rights, shooting varmits, etc.).

Community is a compromise, it can't be any other way, thank God.

Take Care
Steve

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smokie

07-24-2001 11:23:21




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 Re: About Coyotes and Intelligent Tinkering in reply to 9N'er and A. Leopold, 07-24-2001 09:22:20  
i did not read all of this some what heated debate becouse i have herd it all so many timess before, i am a hunter and my club is very seriuse about land and herd management we have cyottes on ower lease the rule is in ower club you shoot it you eat it if you cant follow this on very simple rule you dont hunt here as to judgein those that dont eat what they shoot i leave that to god that is his job if i read my bible rite.

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DAve 2N

07-24-2001 09:24:44




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 Re: About Coyotes and Intelligent Tinkering in reply to 9N'er and A. Leopold, 07-24-2001 09:22:20  
Is this from "A Sand County Almanc" or another of his works?



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yes.

07-24-2001 09:48:27




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 Re: Re: About Coyotes and Intelligent Tinkering in reply to DAve 2N, 07-24-2001 09:24:44  
yes, "A Sand County Almanac" published posthumously; a classic in conservation education. Much of my University/academic training at the University of Wisconsin is based on that book. And, some may not grasp the depth or why I posted it. It does not put me into any stereoptyped category of tree hugger, or other stereotypical jargon that on the surface some may want to classify me/this. It merely just makes me reflect on what may be the right aproach and what may be wrong if I am facing a decision about land use. Coyotes are a part of that equation. The last quote is one I have memorized and carry with me all the time. 9N'er p.s. thanks for asking...way to go Dave2N!

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Dave 2N

07-24-2001 10:22:37




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 Re: Re: Re: About Coyotes and Intelligent Tinkering in reply to yes., 07-24-2001 09:48:27  
I've read it and have a copy of it. I believe what he was saying and I will go back and revisit it again. I love the land, I love my own 55 acres and I know every tree and flower on it as well as most of the animals. I try to treat it all correctly and if I do, it treats me and my family correctly. However, as the owner and steward of that land, I have the right to make the decision about how many of each species I want on that land. I think this philosophy can also extend to the cutting of trees as well as the killing of coyotes. There is a common sense issue that enters into this and maybe that is what Leopold was saying?? Obviously, you are more knowledgeable than I am about Aldo Leopold.

Univ. of Wisconsin---I love it there! I just retired but several times in past years I attended seminars there and always looked forward to the trip.
Take care.

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