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RussMO

07-29-2001 13:53:07




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Is about a .006 warpage a lot for head? I am going have it shaved, but just curious if .006 with new head casket still would allow water in cylinder.
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Larry 8N75381

07-30-2001 14:12:03




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 Re: .006 warp in reply to RussMO, 07-29-2001 13:53:07  
Russ your didn't leave an email adderss so I hope you'll see this - I was gone or would have commented earlier.

I think I'd clean up both surfaces VERY well. Then with NO casket, etc. I'd bolt on the head with just the bolts at the very end with ~75% of full torque. Then I'd take my feeler gages and "survey" all around the head/block gap. I'd then do the same with only the other end bolted down. May be even do it with the center only bolted and torqued. This should give you a good idea of how and especially where the .006 warp is. As I read the other replies, if you find the warp is even all across the end opposite the bolted end and "flairs out" as you go toward the bolts, then the head should "pull down fine" using the correct tightening sequence. Maybe someone will see this and comment - AL E??

What I'd be especially looking for is a sudden change from the .006 or having only a corner gaped open in my "test." That would indicate a deformity rather than a simple warp. A simple warp should evenly "roll out" as you torque the head down. Think of a simple leaf spring and that is a simple warp of the leaf. When the spring is "loaded down" it straightens out evenly along the length, the head should do the same. You might need to recheck the torque more often to be sure the head does not lift up AT ALL.

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Larry

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RussMo

07-30-2001 15:09:28




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 Re: Re: .006 warp in reply to Larry 8N75381, 07-30-2001 14:12:03  
Thanks Larry. I took it over to a good old boy machine shop close to me. I think he was very sincere when he indicated it was in bad shape. There is a lot of uneven surface, especially around the cylinder segments. There seems to the a raise bead around each cylinder opening. The machinist said it may need relief for the pistons that he would also take into consideration. It also seemed to have a crack between two holes that was also repairable.
I hope this takes care of the problem, the grass on thirty-five acres is getting rather high. Everything is ready for the head, I'm getting good at the procedure..... ...
Keep your fingers crossed and thanks for the help.
Russell

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Al English

07-29-2001 17:26:10




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 Re: .006 warp in reply to RussMO, 07-29-2001 13:53:07  
Hi Russ,
So you understand where I'm coming from, I believe if you ask for trouble enough times you'll get what you ask for. Having said that, if the sealing surface is good overall, and the .006" warpage is not localized, I would re-use the head as is with no reservations. Just for general information, if this was not a flathead engine, .006" might justify resurfacing the head. Good luck...Al English

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RussMO

07-30-2001 05:37:04




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 Re: Re: .006 warp in reply to Al English, 07-29-2001 17:26:10  
Al, will you expand on your comment about asking for touble you will get it. Is it relative?
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Dave Smith

07-29-2001 17:06:38




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 Re: .006 warp in reply to RussMO, 07-29-2001 13:53:07  
Russ, When I rebuilt my 8N it had a crack in the water jacket to the outside near#1 and #2 cylinders on the opposite side of the manifold. It had to pinned and welded. Then it had to be decked to true it up. There was a number 19 in a circle stamped on the head. Thinking it may have been shaved before and at the sugestion of Don B. I put the head on the block loose with no head gasket and slowley turned the engine over. Sure enough the head was raised a fiew thousandths by the piston or valves. I had to install two head gaskets to get safe clearance. That is why it is not recomended to shave the head. When you torque the head down you work from the center to the two ends and that should pull the head down the .0006. It would probably help to use a soft head gasket. If the .0006 warp is causing you're leak it would likely be to #2 or #3 cylinders and you should be able to see the coolant track on the head or block. What cylinder were you finding coolant in?
Dave <*)))><

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RussMO

07-29-2001 17:16:51




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 Re: Re: .006 warp in reply to Dave Smith, 07-29-2001 17:06:38  
Number one had the anti-freeze. You don't think the a .006 gap will cause problems?
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Dave Smith

07-29-2001 17:21:27




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 Re: Re: Re: .006 warp in reply to RussMO, 07-29-2001 17:16:51  
Torquing in the proper sequence should pull it down .0006. Did you use a soft or metal head gasket last time?
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RussMO

07-30-2001 05:26:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: .006 warp in reply to Dave Smith, 07-29-2001 17:21:27  
Got it from New Holland. Metal intercore with soft outsides.



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RussMO

07-29-2001 16:31:50




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 Re: .006 warp in reply to RussMO, 07-29-2001 13:53:07  
Well should I or shouldn't I? I have read the archives and it doesn't leave me with a definite solution. If a new gasket is leaking with .006 gap of the head should one shave the head?



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blitz

07-29-2001 16:10:03




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 Re: .006 warp in reply to RussMO, 07-29-2001 13:53:07  
if you check the archives on head warp you will see that the concensus is to not mill the head there are enough bolts (18) to straighten that little bit out milling the head can cause the pistons to hit the head ..... not good
again this is just my opinion but search the archives for yourself



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