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randy brault

08-03-2001 05:29:41




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My ford 8n is hard starting do you have any suggestions? I installed new plugs, plug wirs,Distrib cap,and roter!




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Andy - H:ammond, La

08-03-2001 06:04:17




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 Re: hard starting Ford 8n in reply to randy brault, 08-03-2001 05:29:41  
Well, first things first, Randy. I have had my recent share of starting problems (grin) so let me tell you what we need to help you.

What year 8N, side or front mount distributor?(guessing front - do side mounts have 1/4 of the problems? haha) When you say "hard-starting" what do you mean? Does it start at all? Do you have to choke it completely to start? How long does it run when you get it started? Is this a 6V or 12V electrical system? How about the ignition coil? Are you handy with a voltmeter? Can you check the voltage at the top of the coil (assuming front mount) with the points closed and opened? If a 12V conversion, do you have a true "12V" coil or the original 6V and are you using the 2 proper resistors (in series) to reduce the V down to about 3.5-4V at the coil? Have you checked compression in each cylinder?

Can you confirm that your wires are in the correct firing order? (Are you using copper core plug wires and not carbon core?) Remember the firing order is not 1234 but 1243 going counter-clockwise. Can you check the color/intensity of the spark at the plugs (by laying one across the block and getting someone to start it. It should be a nice blue spark -

Can you verify the fuel flow to the carb? Have you checked the filters in the fuel system?

There are so many reasons for hard/non-starting engines - but bottomline is that the tractor needs air, fuel and spark to start. You need to determine (if you have good compression) which one of these it is lacking. With some of your results to these questions, the masters on this forum (which I am not) can assist you!

Regards,
Andy

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Steve W

08-03-2001 11:23:13




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 Re: Re: hard starting Ford 8n in reply to Andy - H:ammond, La, 08-03-2001 06:04:17  
Andy.....a couple of tips....

First...you might have to resort to scraping some of the crud off the inside of the bowl on the cast parts. That varnish is tough stuff.

Also, I haven't found soaking to be too usefull without following things up with compressed air. Use a rubber tipped air gun, and blast the crud out of each passage after soaking.

I've never been comfortabe sticking cleanout wires in jets, and I think unless a tractor has set for years, it shouldn't be necesarry with a complete soaking and blowing out with compressed air.

It's not a bad idea to look at the carb flow schematic to see which passages are connected to each other. If a path is completely blocked, you may not know it.

Good Luck
steve

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Andy - Hammond, LA - WHERE IS THE CARB FLOW SCHEMATIC???

08-03-2001 11:47:40




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 Re: Re: Re: hard starting Ford 8n in reply to Steve W, 08-03-2001 11:23:13  
Where can I find a schematic of the carb flow?

Send it to me andy@charter.net or post it up here.

Thanks!

Andy



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Steve W

08-03-2001 11:22:50




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 Re: Re: hard starting Ford 8n in reply to Andy - H:ammond, La, 08-03-2001 06:04:17  
Andy.....a couple of tips....

First...you might have to resort to scraping some of the crud off the inside of the bowl on the cast parts. That varnish is tough stuff.

Also, I haven't found soaking to be too usefull without following things up with compressed air. Use a rubber tipped air gun, and blast the crud out of each passage after soaking.

I've never been comfortabe sticking cleanout wires in jets, and I think unless a tractor has set for years, it shouldn't be necesarry with a complete soaking and blowing out with compressed air.

It's not a bad idea to look at the carb flow schematic to see which passages are connected to each other. If a path is completely blocked, you may not know it.

Good Luck
steve

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jimp co

08-03-2001 08:11:27




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 Re: Re: hard starting Ford 8n in reply to Andy - H:ammond, La, 08-03-2001 06:04:17  
HEY Andy. You could have fooled me as to not being an expert on hard starting.
This should be the standard answer to 50% of the posts.
You are learning and learning the right way.
The "experts" should be proud of the * student.
what did you find out with your rough running?



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Andy - Hammond, LA - Hey READ and let me know!

08-03-2001 08:43:04




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 Re: Re: Re: hard starting Ford 8n in reply to jimp co, 08-03-2001 08:11:27  
Havent found anything yet. Just got a parts cleaner with basket today to soak the carb in overnight. Going to get a carb rebuild kit (complete) and clean everything out with some fine wire and see if this helps. Any idea of what I should remove b4 I dip the carb into the caustic bath for the night????? ??? Please advise



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Salmoneye

08-03-2001 09:05:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: hard starting Ford 8n in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA - Hey READ and let me know!, 08-03-2001 08:43:04  
Everything that you can.
A 'complete' kit will have everything but the venturi. At least the last kit I got didn'y have one, but it did have both shafts, packing and all the other brass in it...



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jimp co

08-03-2001 09:03:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: hard starting Ford 8n in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA - Hey READ and let me know!, 08-03-2001 08:43:04  
Take all of the jets out that you can. a small (narrow) screwdriver may be needed. Just don't force anything.
Remember how you took each thing out/off.
There is a very good posting on carb cleaning that I printed off, but don't have the site posted as a favorite on my "work"computer.
The archive wil have it or I'm sure someone will post it for you.
If you soak it overnight, most everything will come clean and you can remove what needs to be replaced when your kit gets there.Some have a felt or leather or rubber washers that go over the shafts. Remove anything that solvent will ruin or swell.
Good Luck Jimp

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Danny in CO

08-03-2001 09:48:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hard starting Ford 8n in reply to jimp co, 08-03-2001 09:03:52  
Since I'm not working anyways, here's the link you mentioned.

Danny



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Salmoneye-Hey Andy...

08-03-2001 07:00:10




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 Re: Re: hard starting Ford 8n in reply to Andy - H:ammond, La, 08-03-2001 06:04:17  
You may not be able to keep it running smooth yet, but you sure as heck have learned alot in the past month about diagnosing a hard start!

Whoa...Nice learning curve!
Keep at it...You are smarter than your N!!!

:-)



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