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Tire Chains ? Problem?

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Sal

08-13-2001 16:14:10

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Hello Gent's.

I just put on a 'new' set of chains on my 8N, new to me that is. I tightend them up and took off in 3rd gear. I thought I was on a bucking bronco. I could barely stay in the seat. Even second gear was a bouncy ride.

Are these the wrong kind of chains to use?

The chains go across the tread and also have a small section that connects each chain at a couple of points in the middle.

I have seen this type of chain on logging equipment before and it keeps the chain from getting settled between the treads.

Very solid chains, excellent conditions, work ok in first gear, and they were FREE...but are they 'not' good to use with a N?... Anyone ever use this style on thier N?

They look awesome for traction but ride like crap. If they can be tamed I'll use them, if not then they will hang on the barn wall.

Thanks.

Peace.

Sal

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JRH_9N

08-15-2001 16:14:54

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Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Sal, 08-13-2001 16:14:10

I use chains on my N too. Always for snow plowing (tires slip easy on the ice uder load). I sometimes plo with them too, if conditions are wet, to keep from slipping.

Mine bounce a little too, but I only plow and push snow in 1st gear, so its not really very bad. Is your tire pressure higher than recommended?

Jim H

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Luc V

08-14-2001 08:57:30

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Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Sal, 08-13-2001 16:14:10

Echoing other comments. . . the chains are not designed with the operator in mind on hard surfaces! When they are needed they perform with straight A's, My 8N is totally different with the chains, even with fluid in the tires it doesn't seem to make a difference when pushing or pulling snow, the chains bite in and hold on. The same holds true when working in the rain on clay fields.

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Ed Gooding (VA)

08-14-2001 06:33:45

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Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Sal, 08-13-2001 16:14:10

Sal, they'll do fine on softer ground (snow or mud). You don't want to drive down to the local gas pump on hard surface with them (especially not with a full bladder), but only a half-track will beat them in slippery conditions like snow or mud. You can't beat the price, either!

Regards..... ..... Ed
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Bill Oakes

08-14-2001 05:51:17

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Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Sal, 08-13-2001 16:14:10

Sal, I live in Cicero and know the snow you mentioned. I have plowed snow with chains and without them. My Ford will do very little without the chains but put the chains on and it's like a different machine. You will love them. Bill

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Are your tires loaded??? Greg-VT

08-14-2001 06:32:15

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Re: Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Bill Oakes, 08-14-2001 05:51:17

Bill I will be useing my NAA for snow plowing for the first time this winter and am wondering if I'll need to load the tires in addition to the chains. I'd rather not if I can get away with it. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks

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Bill Oakes

08-14-2001 14:46:34

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Re: Re: Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Are your tires loaded??? Greg-VT, 08-14-2001 06:32:15

Greg, You asked for opinions so here's mine. I have plowed snow with my 681 since 1960. For many years the tires were loaded with calcium and always used double ring chains in the winter. I have tried plowing snow a few times without the chains (tires still loaded); could hardly push anything and got stuck often. I did this because I also hated the rough riding chains. Two years ago, when I noticed the calcium leaking had rusted the rims, I took the calcium out of the tires. I cleaned and painted the rims, installed new tubes, and put it back together dry. I already knew enough not to try plowing snow without the chains so I put the chains on, now without the calcium in the tires. Well, for the last two years it has worked just fine. That tractor pushes snow very well; almost as well as it did with the calcium in the tires. The chains make the big difference. I need the chains but don't think the extra weight adds enough to justify the hassle. Please understand, I'm not a farmer; I primarily plow snow and cut grass with my tractor. A fellow that pulls a bottom plow or other farming implement may have a real need for the weight. Personally, I will never have calcium in my tires again. Most importantly, remember that this is only my perspective, based on my personal experience, and as another fellow on this board likes to say "Your mileage may very."

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Thanks Bill Greg-VT

08-15-2001 05:59:31

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Bill Oakes, 08-14-2001 14:46:34

Thanks for your time Bill. That is exactly what I wanted to hear. My tractor has done everything I've asked of it very well without weighted tires so I was hoping it would push some snow also. I ALMOST can't wait for winter to try it out.

Thanks again for your insight
Greg

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Dave Smith Add weight

08-14-2001 09:13:17

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Re: Re: Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Are your tires loaded??? Greg-VT, 08-14-2001 06:32:15

Greg, If you do not want to load the tires you could get a 3 point pallet lift ($50) and bolt a box on it and fill it with whatever you have to give the rear weight. Put it on when you think you need it and take it off when you don't.
Dave <*)))><

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Sal

08-14-2001 08:50:27

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Re: Re: Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Are your tires loaded??? Greg-VT, 08-14-2001 06:32:15

Greg, I have always used chains and had loaded tires. I believe the extra weight makes a significant difference and would not want to be with out it. Loading the tires adds about 330 #'s to each rear tire.

Some say it will cause the tires to 'dig down' too much...I never had that problem though.

Then there is a question of what to fill the tires with...lots in the archives.

Peace

Sal

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...Bill...

08-14-2001 06:13:10

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Re: Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Bill Oakes, 08-14-2001 05:51:17

Bill, I have always used chains. I just could not believe what this style did to shake me apart. Like I said, they were free and I am sure this set will grip like mad.

Peace

Sal

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Al English

08-13-2001 19:33:42

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Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Sal, 08-13-2001 16:14:10

Hi Sal,
The type of chains you described are sometimes referred to as "field chains". The connecting links cause more chain to stay on top of the tire's lugs rather than between them. Chains without the connecting links are sometimes called "highway chains". However, don't be misled by the term, as they are still bumpy on hard surfaces...Al English

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MikeC

08-13-2001 18:07:53

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Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Sal, 08-13-2001 16:14:10

Ditto what the others have said. I used tire chains last winter and I don't think that I could have gotten stuck if I tried (I went through a ditch that the snow was waist high on me). But I wouldn't think of using them on hard surfaces other than to creep and crawl.

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WaterBoy in MI.

08-13-2001 18:02:48

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Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Sal, 08-13-2001 16:14:10

Sal:

Don't know where you live. But I use chains only in the winter time. On gravel roads or driveway not to rough. But hard surface roads, hang on to your underware, and you better not have, "what we call here in Michigan" the Michigan Quick Step. Cause ifen you does, you in trouble!!

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John A (VA)

08-13-2001 17:41:31

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Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to Sal, 08-13-2001 16:14:10

BTDT... I have the same style chains for my 48 8N. They'll remove fillings at speed, but you've never had grip like that before. I'd bet you could drive up a greasy string with them on. Use 'em when ya need 'em, then pull 'em off. That's what I do.

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John .......Sal

08-13-2001 18:49:30

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Re: Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to John A (VA), 08-13-2001 17:41:31

John you are right, they will remove you're fillings. I was driving on my hard barn road and on a levelmeadow. I can't imagine how it would be on pavement.

I am here outside of Syracuse NY, had about a 185 inches of snow last year. So I am looking forward to using the chains when the white stuff hits.

I thought I was going to vibrate apart with those chains on.

Unbelievable how the 8N vibrated!

Good to know it is 'normal' with those chains. Still can't wait to use them in the snow!

Peace

Sal

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John .......Sal

08-13-2001 18:48:03

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Re: Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to John A (VA), 08-13-2001 17:41:31

John you are right, they will remove you're fillings. I was driving on my hard barn road and on a levelmeadow. I can't imagine how it would be on pavement.

I am here outside of Syracuse NY, had about a 185 inches of snow last year. So I am looking forward to using the chains when the white stuff hits.

I thought I was going to vibrate apart with those chains on.

Unbelievable how the 8N vibrated!

Good to know it is 'normal' with those chains. Still can't wait to use them in the snow!

Peace

Sal

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Mikey

08-13-2001 18:57:35

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Re: Re: Re: Tire Chains ? Problem? in reply to John .......Sal, 08-13-2001 18:48:03

Not to mention what the ride does to your cold refreshing beverage!

Mikey

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