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Blinding the hydraulic pump

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Nolan

04-03-2000 07:44:16




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I've been studying on my live hydraulic conversion project, with the manuals and such I've gotten from the N-Newsletter. But I find myself perplexed by the old pto driven pump.

No matter how many ways I turn the pictures over, I still come up with the pump being blinded on the intake side to prevent further lifting action. Now blinding a pump is bad because it leads to cavitation of the fluid, with all sorts of evils happening as a result. So why is the N's piston pump blinded, and why doesn't it hurt itself as a result?

I can speculate that it's got to do with the short strokes, slow speeds and such. But I honestly do not know this as a matter of fact. Any input would be graciously appreciated on this.

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bg

04-03-2000 19:06:18




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 Re: Blinding the hydraulic pump in reply to Nolan, 04-03-2000 07:44:16  
The I&T has a pretty succinct explanation of the scotch yoke pump and its theory and operation.



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llamas

04-03-2000 14:26:34




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 Re: Blinding the hydraulic pump in reply to Nolan, 04-03-2000 07:44:16  
All N pumps are controlled from the intake side. The flow of pressurized oil is shut off by shutting off the suction to the pump - it can't pump what it can't get. This function was indeed an integral part of the Ferguson hitch patents. The 8N is essentially the same, it has separate intake and exhaust valve spools, but they are linked together by a rocker and they move as one.

It's not the best practice in modern thinking to starve the suction side of a pump. A gerotor or vane pump would be quickly damaged if you were to do this. However, being as how this is a relatively slow-moving, piston pump, which runs entirely immersed in oil, it doesn't seem to come to any harm.

Don't assume that because you can choke the intake and nothing bad happens, that you can run the pump against a closed valve. That would not be good for it at all - continually forcing pressurized oil out through the relief valve or past the pistons. Pump would wear fast!

llater,

llamas

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Tom(Pa)

04-03-2000 13:16:03




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 Re: Blinding the hydraulic pump in reply to Nolan, 04-03-2000 07:44:16  
The pumps in the 9,2,8N's are all suction controlled pumps. They did not change it with the 8N. That is what the final Ford/Fergeson settlement was about. That Idea was still under patent and could not be changed. That is why they came out with the NAA style pump as they could not use the supply side pump after Dec. 31, 1952. In one of the books I read it stated that in trying to get the 8N out by july 1 47, they had to go with the Fergeson design pump. Hope this clarifies the reason for you. ....Tom in SW Pa.

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Larry 8N75381

04-03-2000 08:57:08




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 Re: Blinding the hydraulic pump in reply to Nolan, 04-03-2000 07:44:16  
Nolan,

In reading the Pripps books on the N-Series, that is one of things attributed to Harry Ferguson, himself. The Ford engineers, like you, thought it a bad design. That was one of the things changed in the 8N's when Henry Ford II terminated the"handshake agreement" with Fersuson.

However, the 8N Operators Manual shows the hydraulic system in two diagrams, one for draft and one for position control. Yet the diagrams show an intake control valve, as well as an exhaust control valve. Did Pripps get the story slightly wrong?

Don't have a 9N/2N Operators Manual to check the hydraulic system diagram.

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Larry

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