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Alabama Andy

09-02-2001 19:14:23




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Hey guys,

My wife says (and it's true) that I often overlook the obvious solution to a problem... it'd be nice if that meant I come up with better solutions, but I don't. So here's what happened today... I pulled off the old intake/exhaust manifold on my '51 8N (old one snapped in two last time I hogged.) Put on the new one and tried to attach the carburetor to it. The forward carb attachment point is a stud from the carb, and the aft attach point is a bolt from the manifold. BUT, the new manifold didn't come with a new bolt for carb attachment, so I decided to reuse the one from the old manifold. How do you get it out? I eventually took a hacksaw and hammer to the old manifold and succeeded in removing the bolt. Now, HOW DO YOU GET THAT BOLT INTO THE HOLE ON THE NEW MANIFOLD, THEN INTO THE CARBURETOR? I ended up modifying the hole to be slightly oval-shaped on top, which just can't be the right solution, can it? Anyway, after working the bolt for quite a while I got the bolt in place and attached the carb. Tractor now runs again, which I proved by taking it down the driveway to get the newspaper.

Related question: while removing the four nuts which hold the manifold to the engine block, three of them came off with little difficulty. The third one took quite a bit of effort; once it started turning, after a few turns antifreeze started pouring out the hole! The whole darn stud came out, and I could not remove the nut from it! I reinserted the whole thing when I put on the new manifold, but what's the RIGHT WAY to deal with the stud coming out?

Thanks a lot guys, I know this was a long post for two short questions...

Andy

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ZANE

09-03-2001 07:43:28




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 Re: Manifold questions in reply to Alabama Andy, 09-02-2001 19:14:23  
What you should have done with the frozen nut ont he stud was to go buy a new stud and install it first then put a new cadmium nut on it and also on the other three studs.

I know about the argument for the brass nuts and in it's time was a good idea as they were less likely to corrode down to the wrong size and be impossible to remove with a socket because the only other nuts were simple steel nuts.

One big drawback of the brass nuts is that they are soft and if and when they do seize to the stud they will not move because they will round off the flats and then it is back to the chisel and hammer method of removing them.

I have had much better results with the cadmium nuts on Manifolds since they came into being.

Observe that no manufacturer now used brass nuts on the exhaust systems. Why?

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There are no long post, just short minded people

09-03-2001 02:28:47




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 Re: Manifold questions in reply to Alabama Andy, 09-02-2001 19:14:23  
I like a long post that explains everything, compaired to a short post that has to be re-done a few threads above.



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Dell (WA)

09-02-2001 19:46:43




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 Re: Manifold questions in reply to Alabama Andy, 09-02-2001 19:14:23  
Andy..... ...the reason that the manifold stud came out is because the nut was probably "jambed" on the stud shoulder when it was originally installed plus the crud and it became "frozen" on the stud. The studs originally were installed with 35 ft/lbs and should have been "jambed" against its shoulder into the engine block. The 7/16-20 5/8 hex brass nut should not have jambed against the stud shoulder and should be torqued to 27 ft/lbs. Its a good bet the jambed nut is not brass but is steel and is crudded completely.

The proper "fix" is a new correct stud with stud pucky and a new brass nut.

As for your carb, my carb has 2 studs that are bolted to the manifold flange.

Sigh..... it only happens on holliday weekends..... ..Dell

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Dell (WA)

09-02-2001 19:46:07




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 Re: Manifold questions in reply to Alabama Andy, 09-02-2001 19:14:23  
Andy..... ...the reason that the manifold stud came out is because the nut was probably "jambed" on the stud shoulder when it was originally installed plus the crud and it became "frozen" on the stud. The studs originally were installed with 35 ft/lbs and should have been "jambed" against its shoulder into the engine block. The 7/16-20 5/8 hex brass nut should not have jambed against the stud shoulder and should be torqued to 27 ft/lbs. Its a good bet the jambed nut is not brass but is steel and is crudded completely.

The proper "fix" is a new correct stud with stud pucky and a new brass nut.

As for your carb, my carb has 2 studs that are bolted to the manifold flange.

Sigh..... it only happens on holliday weekends..... ..Dell

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Alabama Andy

09-02-2001 20:27:07




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 Re: Re: Manifold questions in reply to Dell (WA), 09-02-2001 19:46:07  
Thanks, Dell. That reminds me... I think one of the nuts is stripped, but now I'll know what size to buy!



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Oh... Could it be...

09-02-2001 20:30:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Manifold questions in reply to Alabama Andy, 09-02-2001 20:27:07  
Could it be that the "bolt" I removed from the old manifold was really a stud from the carb, with a nut jammed onto it? This is starting to make sense now... I see a pattern... Andy



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You are correct sir......yes!

09-03-2001 05:02:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Manifold questions in reply to Oh... Could it be..., 09-02-2001 20:30:28  
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And your Okely-dokely correct that he is correct !!

09-03-2001 06:01:58




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