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Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor????

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Andy - Hammond,

09-18-2001 09:03:04




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Hiya,

Was going through a lot of farm ads that I just purchased and had some related quesitons. Am I right to calculate that the roughly $1500-$1600 pricetag w/o implements for a new 8N was about half of the average yearly salary back in 1948? So if you want to get in with implements and other accessories, you were looking at about $2000-2100. More than half or in some areas of the country almost all of the average salary for that year?

According to a few sites, the avarage income did vary by region of country (not unlike today) with the south having some of the lowest (Ark, Miss at about $2000/year) and New York being the highest at ~$5,000/year. So I guess it was a relatively huge investment for these farms to purchase these tractors?

When I fathom trying to spend half of my yearly salary on a tractor it is really scary. Maybe the conditions and rate of return was ok back then? I know I am not using it for productive farming & income-producing purposes, but it still seems quite high.

Am I off base with these calculations and thoughts? BTW, Is that why all of the ads with Ford tractors show men who appear to be in their mid 40s or 50s with the classic hats????

Just wondering..... ....
Andy

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Tom 8N396936

09-19-2001 16:47:10




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 Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA, 09-18-2001 09:03:04  
Uhhhhh Andy, maybe it only seems like it but that sounds about like about how much I have in mine to date ;>)
tom



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Jack

09-18-2001 16:54:25




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 Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA, 09-18-2001 09:03:04  
Andy-
I think the farm wages were much greater than the average in 1948. Today the small farmer is below the national average. We were coming out of WWII at that time and farmers were making a good living. I was raised on 160 acre farm with lots of hogs (still don't like those contrary animals). Around that time my father purchased a 1949 Plymouth car and a 1949 8N. Two years later he traded for a 1951 8N and traded his old 1939 Oliver 70 in for a 1951 Oliver 88. My parents were still remembering the depression and did not believe in loans. It was cash or we don't buy it. They never purchased like that after,so I know they were making a good profit at that time. Oh, there was also an International 2PR picker, an Allis Chalmers 60 combine and a New Idea manure spreader purchased in this same time frame. Also, as you can see I was raised multicolored. I have a hard time with people that can not see the best of different brands and will only buy one brand. Hey fellers - they all got gooduns and they all got baduns. My history lesson - and I'm older than any 2N!!
Jack

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Zeked

09-18-2001 15:58:31




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 Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA, 09-18-2001 09:03:04  
My dad bought his Mom a house and the vacant lot next door in the Pacific Palisades (You know where Ron Regan used to live before he was President...)
in 1948 for $5500. It was a custom built 3 bedroom job. The lot next door is worth over $1.5 mil today... Wish he still had it.

Zeke



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Ed-Illinois

09-18-2001 09:25:31




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 Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA, 09-18-2001 09:03:04  
I seem to recall reading about Nebraska tests on the 9N that showed it was cheaper to own and operate the 9N for a year than it was to keep a team of mules and feed them for an entire year.

And those mules got to be fed whether they are working or not!



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tlak

09-18-2001 14:30:21




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 Re: Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Ed-Illinois, 09-18-2001 09:25:31  
If you have mules they can produce their own fuel off the land and in the worse case senerio you can eat them to. The mules also produce fertilizer. Wonder if Ford ate an N to convince the farmers.



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Claus

09-18-2001 09:19:37




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 Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA, 09-18-2001 09:03:04  
A couple of years ago, I paid 14.5K for a compact tractor.... A decent tractor for farming would at least be 20k...Roughly 1/2 years salary in todays market... and that would be for a small farm. Have you priced large tractors lately? 50K and up?
So things are not out of line with then.....
Happy Motoring
Claus



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Andy - Hammond, LA

09-18-2001 11:44:51




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 Re: Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Claus, 09-18-2001 09:19:37  
I know but can you imagine how much it would have cost back then for maintenance advice, service, discussions and the rest --- How did they make it without having a YTMAG.COM forum????? ?

I cannot bear to think about it!!!!!

hahaha.

thanks for the info! Just confirming that I am cRaZy!
Andy



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Claus

09-18-2001 13:12:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA, 09-18-2001 11:44:51  
I have a "Quality Farm And Country" near me and I always see people in there looking at N parts and ask them if they have an N. When they respond yes,I ask them if they have a computer and 95% of them do not... Surely, people on this forum are in the minority of N owners and are not a microcosm of what is out there. They managed for 50 years without these dang computers and will continue to manage...
Happy Motoring
Claus

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Jim(MO)

09-18-2001 13:56:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Claus, 09-18-2001 13:12:14  
Me thinks in the "old" days a lot of info was passed around at the pot bellied stoves at the local general stores, feed stores, barber shops, dealers, etc.



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Andy - Hammond, LA

09-18-2001 13:25:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Claus, 09-18-2001 13:12:14  
Well, if they get on once I am sure they will sell that one last mule and get a computer!

you gotta getcha one cheep --- as Dell would say! haha

Andy



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paul

09-18-2001 23:48:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA , 09-18-2001 13:25:38  
The old Fords are easy to fix, you can do most with the toolkit they came with.

Now Andy, buy a $110,000 tractor of today, and then try to fix it when it breaks. Computer diagnostics. Electronic shifting, hydraulics, dash. draft control.... Get a few mice nests in all that wiring....

Always stay with your old Fords, Andy. You _don't_ want the new stuff. There is a reason big tractors from the late 70s to 80s are starting to increase in value....

--->Paul

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Jim(MO)

09-18-2001 18:56:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA , 09-18-2001 13:25:38  
yeh, reckon what Noah could of done with AutoCad, didn't have it, didn't need it, did it anyway.



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Thompson8N167346

09-18-2001 09:15:17




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 Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Andy - Hammond, LA, 09-18-2001 09:03:04  
Farm income determination could be an entire discussion in itself. However, I would bet that the modern farmer would kill for a tractor that was half of his annual salary. A new yard tractor here in Canada runs at least $20,000 and that's for something with about 30hp and no loader. Of course JD covers a lot of this market and everyone knows how much more you pay for a coat of green paint.

I am of the opinion that the current cost of tractors is one of the key factors driving the demand for N's.

If you start talking field tractors then you can easily drop $250,000 on a new 4WD tractor.

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Big Jake

09-18-2001 10:06:28




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 Re: Re: Half the yearly salary for a new 8N tractor???? in reply to Thompson8N167346, 09-18-2001 09:15:17  
----- -----Fact vs Rumor----- -

Please tell me where I can buy another brand tractor for less? I'm looking at buying a brand new tractor (115 h/p). So far there isn't much difference in price between Case John Deere Agco infact New Holland is the most expensive of all!!! By the way all the prices are around $56,000-$62,000 which is more than a years salary
for me. The prices are close enough to each other that it will not factor into the brand I choose.

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