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Allen Kinser

09-24-2001 07:05:31




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This is my first tractor, so I don't know that much about them. The lift on my tractor works well, after I lift my grader blade or bush hog does it hurt to drive the tractor very much with the lift lever still up, or once I lift something should there be some way to hold it up without my PTO still engaged? Once I lift something and disengage the PTO the lift lowers slowly to the ground, is this normal? My tractor is a 1939 9N. I would appreciate any help on this. Thanks

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ZANE

09-24-2001 17:58:36




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 Re: Hydraulics on 9N in reply to Allen Kinser, 09-24-2001 07:05:31  
The 9N-TO Ferguson lift has no position control.To maintain the lift at a given position the hand must constantly be on the control lever to continually re adjust. I can fix that for you if you will Email me at wzsherman@aol.com or see the link below.

The most common places to leak on the lift is the piston rings and the pressure relief valve.
In order to determine where the lift is leaking you should remove the right hand inspection plate that holds the dip stick for the lift oil.If oil runs out when this cover is removed it has too much oil in it and letting it run out is ok.

Start the tractor with a load on the lift arms such as a rotary cutter etc. raise the lift and observe inside the lift to see where the oil is leaking down.If the piston rings are leaking their will be a pretty good stream of oil coming out the end of the ram cylinder. If just a few drops this is ok.
If you should decide to replace the piston rings and you find that the cylinder is scored badly, you should hone the cylinder and instead of replacing the steel piston rings and the original piston you might want to consider replacing the piston and rings with the Ford model NAA piston and the Neoprene Rubber rings. The NAA piston and rings is the same size and the rubber rings will seal much better than the steel rings.

Observe the oil in the resorvoir and if you see the oil swirling around the relief valve is probably leaking.It is the gadget that is screwed into the back of the hydralic pump just under the pto shaft.It will be under the oil and feels something like a spark plug.

If before starting the tractor you will put your hand into the oil and locate the relief valve you can reach in and put one finger over the end of the relief valve and determine if it is leaking after the tractor has again been started. DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE OF PUTING A FINGER IN THE PUMP MECHANISM!!!!

If however you don't see a signifacant leak from the top you can assume that the relief valve is leaking and simply replace it with a new one and thereby prvent the possible loss of a finger or two.

I;ve never tried itm,but I’ve read that you can drain enough oil from the lift reservoir to uncover the relief valve and see if it is leaking instead of using the obviously dangerous finger feel thing I described.


There could also be a blown gasket somewhere in the upper portion of the lift but if so you will see a lot of oil coming down from the top and then it’s just a case of taking the cover off and finding the culprit.

Be sure to release the control rods from the control valve T on the pump before trying to remove the lift cover. To fail to do so will result in a broken lift control valve stem.
Also be sure that the control linkage is attached at the “T” at the control valve connection.
Zane in Alabama.

If you should be having trouble with the lift not going down when the lever is moved to the down position I would suggest that while the inspection plate is off on the side of the lift housing you reach in and manually push the two levers that go into the oil in the reservoir and are connected to the control valve. The control valve sometimes sticks in the up position. If you should find that you can make it go down by pushing toward the front of the tractor internally on the control rods then you should drain the lift and pour about 5 gallons of clean kerosene through the lift with the drain open. It is best to pour it directly into the inspection hole. Let the kerosene that drains out sit for about 15 minutes and pour it through again leaving the portion that is in the bottom of the container to be discarded. This should have the residue in it that may have been causing the control valve to stick when it was carried into the control valve.

You should also inspect the spring that is connected between the front end of the ram cylinder of the lift to the knee portion of the control rods that go from the linkage at the top to the control valve in the bottom of the pump. This spring sometimes looses it tension from age and usage and must have enough tension on it to pull the control valve out when the lever is moved to the down position.

See the link below for added position or height control.

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Paul R.

09-24-2001 14:19:17




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 Re: Hydraulics on 9N in reply to Allen Kinser, 09-24-2001 07:05:31  
9N's do those kind of things. Seriously, it's ok to run with the implement held up by the hydraulic pump. This was one of the great things about the N's, as other tractors of the day had nothing like a lift at all. If it drops slowly when the pump is off, well, most of them do. The '39's were the first of the entire series, so there's some wear and tear on her, and the lift is just not holding pressure like it did sixty-two (62!!!) years ago. Check out the wealth of info on the web, learn a lot, and be careful, because I agree with Jerry, these tractors are addicting.

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JerryU

09-24-2001 10:37:47




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 Re: Hydraulics on 9N in reply to Allen Kinser, 09-24-2001 07:05:31  
First-welcome to the world of N's. Be careful, they are addictive. Next, there is a whole lot of info on them. As far as your specific questions, first be aware that the 9n's and 2n's had what is known as draft control on the hydraulics. Without a long explaination, the hydraulics were made for pulling a plow and when the plow pulled hard, it raised. The 8n's had both draft and position. Position is the ability to stop the hydraulics at any given point and they will stay there (with the pump running). There is a way, thanks to one of the sages of this Board, Mr. Sherman, to make the 9n have position control. See the link to The Zane Thang. It is well worth the money. I have a 9N with one.

Now on to your others. It does not hurt the pump to run. There are chains available to hold things in the up or at a fixed position, like transporting a mower. It is easier for transport just to unhook the drive shaft and let the Zane Thang hold the position.

Hope this is helpful.

There are also a couple of members of this Board that have good web sites. You might try Smith's page:

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noff

09-24-2001 08:50:16




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 Re: Hydraulics on 9N in reply to Allen Kinser, 09-24-2001 07:05:31  
Once you lift an impliment and disengage the PTO it should hold it up unless you have leakdown somewhere in your hydraulics. The first suspect is the relief valve. After that the lift piston.
To check these remove the right side lift cover. Start your tractor and engage the PTO and lift impliment. If you have fluid dripping down from above the piston is suspect. People say to check the relief vavle the best way is to drain about 1/2 of the hydraulic fluid then start the tractor and engage and lift impliment. if there is swirling fluid at the back on the hydraulic pump then the relief valve is going out. Personally when I lift a brush hog and shut the tractor off, the brush hog will stay in the air about 15 minutes. For me that is acceptable because I have replaced the relief valve and the piston and don't want to rebuild by pump. But it should not frop right away.

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