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68 Mag

10-19-2001 08:31:44




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I have made a deal with my neighbor. I cut all the wild cane (bamboo) out of his field with a sickle bar, and haul it off, I can have the old JD combine thats there. Now he hasnt worked the field for years, and the old access road now runs across 3 different properties, so I cant drive the tractor down it. However, he has built a new one- The problem is it's on a hill, with about a 65* slope. What worries me isnt going down the hill to the field, it's coming back up. Now, I wont be doing this until I purchase my own 8N, because Dad wont let me use the Super A. Now, what would be the best possible weight combination to keep the tractor from rolling over backwards coming up the hill? I'll assume each trip up the hill, I'll have 100 pounds on the back of the tractor, behind the tires, on the three point. Wha about front wheel weights, or filling the front tires? But, wouldnt I lose traction in the back? Or make it even harder for the tractor to pull up the hill?

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Jack

10-19-2001 17:48:45




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 Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 08:31:44  
Sounds likd a lot of you have never tried to back up a steep hill with ag tires. The tires are designed to pull forward and don't have much traction the other way. The second reason is you have put your tractor on an incline and loose the weight on the uphill end of your tractor. At least it is safe to "try to back up" the hill you describe. But I think all you are going to do is spin your wheels. If you must go up the hill at least get another tractor or a wrecker at the top to help pull you up and keep you pointed up the hill!!

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Jerry Cummings (NH)

10-19-2001 16:46:48




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 Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 08:31:44  
Some other way in sure sounds like the best option!

But backing up the hill sounds like the second best - if your tractor will do it. Mine wouldn't - it'd stall. B^( Maybe an engine overhaul this winter will help out in this regard.

Jerry



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TomP8N

10-19-2001 11:05:25




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 Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 08:31:44  
Downhill forward, cut bamboo, burn bamboo, uphill backward. I would like to be there when you try to get the combine out of there. ;>)



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JIM CT

10-19-2001 10:48:49




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 Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 08:31:44  
On my family's farm we would bushhog the hillsides with a 2000 Super Dextra with a 6ft mower and 2 100# wts on the front bumper.There were 2 spots where you should've gone down not up since it was so steep the front wheels would come up ,but with the bushhog on you weren't going over you just didn't stop and rembered to go down hill next time.With a sicklebar I'd back up that hill of yours I think yopur going to need the traction also most sicklebars I've delt wit seem to be mre than 100# so an alternate route would be my 1st choice especially figuring the clean up. GOOD LUCK AND BE SAFE

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Danny in CO

10-19-2001 09:35:42




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 Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 08:31:44  
I, personnally, would not attempt a hill with a 65 degree slope! I would find another way to get there and back!

If you MUST go up it, the ONLY way I would do it would be to back up it. When going up a 65 degree slope, any problem will cause the front to come up. On a 65 degree slope, you don't have much reaction time to correct before it is too late!

My personal opinion would be to stay away from the slope,

Danny

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ricker2n

10-19-2001 09:35:00




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 Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 08:31:44  
I'd be concerned about the weight on the back. With that slope, the added weight, it wouldn't take much to lift the front end up and over.



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Chris9n

10-19-2001 09:31:37




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 Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 08:31:44  
Backing up the hill would be your safest bet.



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Chris9n

10-19-2001 09:31:21




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 Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 08:31:44  
Backing up the hill would be your safest bet.



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Patrick/OR/n-tiques.com

10-19-2001 09:27:12




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 Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 08:31:44  
By design, the 3pt is supposed to eliminate or at least reduce the end over end roll. Harry Ferguson came up with the scheme because many farmers were getting killed or injured due to a plow snagging and the tractor front end flipping over. The top link was designed to bring the implement up if it got snagged.

Let's utilize this principal. The straight shot thing to do is to put as much weight on the front as there is in the back assuming that the center of gravity is the center of the rear axel housing. The tractor should be able to move the extra weight (You said 100 lbs in back and want to put 100 lbs in front) and itself with no problem up the hill.

To lower the risk and the counter weight needed, keep the implement as low to the ground as possible. Implements with rear wheels (like brush hogs) are great becaus they give you one more 'leg' to stand on. If you can put a wheel (or even a skid plate) at the back of your implement, even better! If your implement is short, put a boom and skid plate or wheel. The further it is extended, the easier to keep the front wheels planted.

Now, while climbing the hill, if the front wheels begin to rise, counter this in two ways... one by lowering the implement just enough to counter the lift in the front. The lower the implement the less weight needed up front. And, if you have a wheel behind the implement, use it. Second, steer with the brake pedals. That is why there are two independents brake pedals... to be used as an auxilary steering aid. If the implement has a wheel or skid plate and the front wheels are off the ground, it would be like driving up the hill backwards but steering with the brakes.

I have a 6 foot rotary brush hog. It is very heavy. And I have a very steep hill (probably not 65 D, though!). I lower the hog so that the rear wheel is on the ground. As long is it does not snag, and it shouldn't, my front wheels are firmly planted. This works pretty good for me to drive it up the hill.

Franlky, I lilke Greg-Vt's approach as well.... back it out.

Hope this helps!
Patrick

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Greg-Vt

10-19-2001 08:57:40




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 Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 08:31:44  
That's quite a slope. Can you back up it? I've got about a 45* slope to deal with to get to one of my fields. I go up and down it with my blade about 300 lbs, and my scoop about 220 lbs, on the hitch and the front end definitly gets a little light. I brought my old 6' Woods rotary mower, which is a real monster, down the hill and I am definitly not looking forward to getting it back up that hill. If I have to I can cross the neighbors field to the road.
BE CAREFUL
Greg

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68 Mag

10-19-2001 18:12:34




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 Re: Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to Greg-Vt, 10-19-2001 08:57:40  
Well, after you guys scaring me to death, (thanks) I found another way in. All I have to do is park on the road, circle the 3 lakes, and I'm there. This way is totally flat, too. Now I just need an 8N.



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Floyd(Va.)

10-20-2001 04:16:07




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to 68 Mag, 10-19-2001 18:12:34  
Good Choice, these old tractors are death traps on any kind of a hill.



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Emory

10-20-2001 07:03:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N Rollover possibilities in reply to Floyd(Va.), 10-20-2001 04:16:07  
Gents: Here I am looking forward to an 8N in my future and then I read Floyd's post about old tractors being death traps on any hill. I hope this doesn't apply to responsibly driven N's. I am considering an N because our land is hilly and I like the feel of the low center of gravity. I understand the physics of going over backwards, but what about sideways? Aren't the Fords far more stable than the row crops? Does anyone have any firsthand stories where a Ford actually did -- or tried to -- roll over sideways? I would appreciate your thoughts on this.
Emory

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