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No Juice in battery More silly questions.

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Andy MN

10-23-2001 10:23:46




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Paul Haas mentioned a thing called a Cut Out and also the need to polarize my recently rebuilt generator.

Naturally I did not read my manual before reinstalling the generator. What is "polarizing the generatior". How does one do it? My manual is at the tree farm and not here with me.

What is a cut out?

How expensive is a voltage regulator?

How hard is it to replace?

What is the adjustment screw that is labeled high low on the generator do?

I am not a mechanical genious but I am down right stupid when it comes to electrical issues.

Thanks for all the input.

Andy

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bg

10-23-2001 23:35:47




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 Re: No Juice in battery More silly questions. in reply to Andy MN, 10-23-2001 10:23:46  
Polarizing is necessary to restore the residual magnetism to the pole shoes. With the engine dead and ignition switch OFF, AND ALL ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS AND GENERATOR CORRECTLY INSTALLED AND READY TO OPERATE, connect a jumper(scrap piece of stranded copper automotive wire)lead to the BAT terminal of the regulator and touch the other end to the ARM terminal of the regulator for a millisecond.



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Dell (WA)

10-23-2001 11:15:33




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 Re: No Juice in battery More silly questions. in reply to Andy MN, 10-23-2001 10:23:46  
Andy..... ..what Jim said.

This has been answered many time in the past, you might want to search the "archives" at the top of the page of this most excellent N-Board.

I don't tell people how to "polarize" their generator/regulator/cut-out because I always have to look it up in the I&T FO-4 manual. I suggest you do the same..... ...respectfully, Dell



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Jim WI

10-23-2001 11:02:47




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 Re: No Juice in battery More silly questions. in reply to Andy MN, 10-23-2001 10:23:46  
Given you mention the screw on the back of the generator, I can tell you probably have a 9N or 2N. If there's more than one terminal post on your generator (or if there's another plug that fits into it) this assumption is wrong and you should ignore the rest of what I say. We'll then need to figure out just what you do have before we go on.

Assuming I'm right:

First off, you don't have a voltage regulator. The part under the battery is the cutout. The adjustment screw on the back of the generator adjusts the rate of charge. To polarize the generator, just jump around the cutout with a piece of wire (only needs to be done for just a short time).

How all this works together:

When the tractor is not running, the cutout is open. This disconnects the battery from the generator and prevents the battery from discharging through the generator. If the battery is connected to the generator without the tractor running, the generator will act as a motor and try to turn.

When you start the tractor, residual magnetism in the generator causes it to develop a voltage between its output terminal and the case (which is connected to the battery through the mounting bracket). When this voltage gets high enough, the cutout relay closes. At this point, the generator is now connected to the battery and can charge it. You should see about 3 to 4 amps of charge on the ammeter if everything is working and adjusted correctly.

When you turn off the engine, the generator quits generating because it's not spinning anymore. The cutout detects the reversal of current in the wiring to the battery and opens.

How to troubleshoot:

1) With the tractor stopped, there should be no voltage at the generator's output post. If there is, the cutout is bad (stuck closed). You'd have noticed that the battery wouldn't hold a charge for long after you stopped the tractor.

2a) With the tractor running, you should see the same voltage at the generator's output post as you see at the battery. If the system passed the first step, this means that it's charging. It may still need the charge rate adjusted.

2b) If the voltage at the generator is higher than the battery voltage, the cutout is not closing and is likely bad (might be a wiring error so trace the wiring to make sure). Don't leave the generator run in this condition because it can develop a high voltage and damage itself.

2c) If the voltage at the generator is lower than the battery voltage (typically it'll be zero), try polarizing the generator by jumping a wire around the cutout. You only need to do this a for a very short time -- the generator should then work. If not, you get to rebuild it.

Charge Rate Adjustment

To adjust the charge rate, just turn the screw on the back of the generator case. There is a detailed procedure in the I&T F04 manual. Basically, you need enough current to charge up the battery without boiling it. Since the 9N / 2N doesn't have a voltage regulator, this is a compromise.

Well, alright, there is a voltage regulator available:

If you want, there is a company that sells a voltage regulator for this system that replaces the cutout. However, you should get the system working correctly (or at least decide that everything but the cutout is good) before you try to install this.

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AndyMN

10-26-2001 11:26:19




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 Re: Re: No Juice in battery More silly questions. in reply to Jim WI, 10-23-2001 11:02:47  
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. I Will give the manual a look when I go to the cabin next week and follow the proper procedure.

I have a 2N. The generator was just rebuilt

Thanks again,

Andy



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