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STW

04-11-2000 06:14:26




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After reviewing a wiring diagram for a 12 volt conversion, I learned that a ballast resistor was not installed. Would this explain why my distributor casing became warped last summer and had to be replaced?? Also, what type of resistor is needed and can these be purchased at auto stores or is it better to replace coil with a 12 volt coil? If using a resistor where should it be installed (between the terminal board and coil?)? Also, would this cause my diode from alternator to keep burning up? Thanks.

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Front- or side-mount distributor? llamas

04-11-2000 10:41:02




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 Re: 8N 6-12 volt in reply to STW, 04-11-2000 06:14:26  
It makes a difference.

As a general rule, the lower you can keep the ignition system voltage - in a points-based system - the better. The lower the voltage, the less arcing and wear on the points.

When you say "distributor case", what do you mean?

If you are frying diodes in the alternator excite circuit, you're using an inadequate diode. The ones I use are rated 50 volts, 1 ampere. Never had one go bad - that I know of. If that is a problem, you can replace the diode with a 12 volt indicator light - this provides enough load to shut down the regulator and prevent the alternator from backfeeding the ignition when the motor is shut off.

llater,

llamas

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STW for llamas and any others

04-11-2000 10:48:52




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 Re: Re: 8N 6-12 volt in reply to Front- or side-mount distributor? llamas, 04-11-2000 10:41:02  
Thanks. llamas. The distributor is front mount. Last summer when I started having problems I went to replace the points, but when I removed the distributor housing (where the points reside) which is attached to the block I noticed the housing was warped and once removed could not get it back in place. The diode are burning up while the tractor was running. I did not do the 12-v conversion and am thus just learning the particulars. I do know that I need to install a voltage reducer. Any help would be appreciated.

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llamas

04-11-2000 16:31:34




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N 6-12 volt in reply to STW for llamas and any others, 04-11-2000 10:48:52  
If using the original-style coil for the front-mount distributor, this actually works at about 3.5 volts. To get this from 12 volts, you'll need two voltage reducer resistors, in series. The ones sold by the excellent sponsors of this board will work fine, or look for General part number RU-100. These go, in series, somewhere in the wire that runs to the terminal on top of the coil.

Howsomever - I suspect that if you were running the original style coil on 12 volts with no reducer, you would have fried the coil by now. There are coils available in the same package style which are wound to work at 6 volts (one reducer). You may have one of these, and it would last for a while with no reducer.

The rule of thumb developed by Andy Gallup of Genesee Products, and most excellently detailed in the Autumn 1999 issue of the N-Newsletter, is that the total resistance of the primary circuit in any 12 volt conversion should be 3 ohms ± 10%. If you can measure the resistance of the coil primary accurately (within 1/10 of an ohm), subtract that from 3 to find the amount of ballast (reducer) resistance you need to add - if any. For your reference, the "original" front mount coil has a primary resistance of the order of 0.7 ohms, while a "6 volt" version of this coil will have a resistance more of the order of 1.5 ohms.

HTH,

llater,

llamas

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Jim WI

04-12-2000 10:20:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N 6-12 volt in reply to llamas, 04-11-2000 16:31:34  
I've a front-mount coil that draws 9amps when 13.8v (fully charged 12v battery) is applied to it without any ballast resistor (indicates that the coil is about 1.5 ohms). The coil was labeled "12v".

Sounds like there's a lot of inconsistency in the design (or manufacture?) of these coils. (I'm adding a 1.5 ohm resistor to mine).

What have you seen on 12v coils for resistance?



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Phil(NJ)

04-11-2000 12:13:20




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N 6-12 volt in reply to STW for llamas and any others, 04-11-2000 10:48:52  
STW, You said " what type of resistor is needed and can these be purchased at auto stores or is it better to replace coil with a 12 volt coil?"

First, the distortion of your case was not caused by anything electrical. Most would agree that using a 12v coil is easier but if you want to use a 6 Volt coil, add 2 ea of the original ballast resisters in series (one after the other) between Term block and Coil.

Diode: Where is this diode? If its on the Output of the Alt (big post) it will most certainly toast unless its >30 amp. The Output doesn't need a diode, redundant, remove it.

If its between the ignition switch (switched Bat) and the Excite term on the alternator, and its smoking, you most likely have a shorted diode in the Alternator(feed back trio), or the
diode across the field is Open.

JMHO Phil (NJ)

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