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68 Mag

11-01-2001 18:45:21




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Well, I was reading in the archives, and I read that I may have to split the tractor to replace them. Now, my NH dealer had to order my repair manual, so I cant check it out. So, what exactly is involved in new rings? Will I have to split my tractor and remove the engine? Is there a way that doesnt require that? HELP!




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Dave Smith, It seems to me you

11-02-2001 19:06:15




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 Re: Rings on an 8N in reply to 68 Mag, 11-01-2001 18:45:21  
You are puting the horse before the cart. You dont have the tractor home yet and you are talking about tearing it all apart. Get it home, change the oil and filter (ask the pevious owner what kind and weight oil he used), get it running. Drive it around a bit. Watch for smoke out the tail pipe and breather. Watch for coolant,oil and fluid leaks from the engine and transmission, Rear end and hydrolics. Check how the clutch, stearing and hydroilics work. Find out if the lift will work and stay up a reasonable length of time. Listen for strange noises. If you find the engine smokes a lot give it a compression test, dry and wet, Check the oil pressure. Evaluate what you think needs repair. Hopefully you will be pleasently supprised and find that it need verry little. Then again you may find you bought a parts tractor. If I missed mentioning what to check someone else will remind me.
Dave <*)))><

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68 Mag

11-02-2001 19:57:14




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 Re: Re: Rings on an 8N in reply to Dave Smith, It seems to me you , 11-02-2001 19:06:15  
Aaaack. I know I may be putting the cart before the horse, but I wont have it home until next saturday at the earliest, and I'm amazingly going insane without it.



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9Njoe

11-02-2001 15:28:12




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 Re: Rings on an 8N in reply to 68 Mag, 11-01-2001 18:45:21  
Mag,

You dont have to split the tractor to do the rings. I just rebuilt mine and you can do it by removing the head and the oil pan. That is the way I did it. NOW, in hindsight, I should have split the old girl. It was twice as much work to get all the innards replaced with the crank in there. so I agree with the rest, do it right and remove the engine. It is relatively easy and it make the job go a lot smoother.

Joe

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TractoRob

11-02-2001 08:01:24




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 Re: Rings on an 8N in reply to 68 Mag, 11-01-2001 18:45:21  
I am close to the point of splitting my tractor to rebuild. This time I split it I will be doing it on a concrete surface in my barn shop. Last time I did it, to replace the clutch, I did it on a sandy/rocky surface in the loafing shed. How STUPID was that!?!? Well, the point is, I did it there, and it all went amazingly well. However, I wouldn't exactly recommend an area like that to anyone. Like Dell said, the splitting is the easy part, the other stuff has a rookie like me wondering.....

Rob

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MikeC

11-02-2001 03:54:45




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 Re: Rings on an 8N in reply to 68 Mag, 11-01-2001 18:45:21  
Kick around picking up an engine stand for about 50 bucks or so (I found that I could pick up a cheap one for less than I could rent one). You will be much happier having that engine out where you can spin it around and work on it. Borrow or rent an engine hoist to pull it off and put it back on the tractor. Splitting the tractor also gives you the chance to at least inspect the clutch, and as someone else said, might as well replace it if it is at all questionable. IMHO.

Good Luck!

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Dell (WA)

11-01-2001 20:09:31




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 Re: Rings on an 8N in reply to 68 Mag, 11-01-2001 18:45:21  
Let your imagination run wild. How do you think you would get your worn rings out of the engine? Push the piston UP thru the block? well maybe. But think about what is wearing, the rings, well yeah BUT the piston walls are also wearing and actually will create a ring breaking ridge at the top of the piston stroke in the piston walls.

So most remove their pistons DOWN thru the block...but WOOPS....theres a crankshaft innna the way. So now ya gotta remove the crankshaft and flywheel and before you can get the crankshaft out you gotta get the oilpump outta the way.

Then think about what else just might have worn in that ol'engine besides the rings. Why the bearings. That is why they are made to be replaced. But think about this, if the bearings are worn, what about the crank journals? The main bearings and the rod bearings. They all need to be "miked" for taper and out of round and total wear. Then if'n the crank journals are worn, the whole crank needs to be appropriately machined. And only then can you "order" the correct size bearings.

You'll need to remove the engine to take the engine to a machine shop to have the valves ground, crankshaft bearings ground, new sleaves installed. Don't forget the engine IS the chassis, that is why you have to split the tractor.

So you see, just replacing the rings is not like replacing some sparkplugs, it opens up a whole new can of worms. You are wize to be seeking counsel from those that have been there. Splitting is trivial, its all the other stuff that'll gettcha..... .....respectfully, Dell

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Brent

11-01-2001 19:57:28




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 Re: Rings on an 8N in reply to 68 Mag, 11-01-2001 18:45:21  
Hi, if your going to want to fix your tractor, and do it right, you are going to HAVE to split the tractor! This is not as hard as it sounds. And while you have it split, replace the clutch ect..You will be a happier camper, and you will be more pleased with the results. Dont be so nervous. Take your time..and do it right. There are good people on this board who will be glad to help you with any questions. Brent

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ZANE

11-01-2001 19:20:43




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 Re: Rings on an 8N in reply to 68 Mag, 11-01-2001 18:45:21  
YOu will need to pull the front end off the tractor including the hood and tank etc.

If you don't pull the front end you will not be able to get the pan off and on again.



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68 Mag

11-01-2001 19:23:58




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 Re: Re: Rings on an 8N in reply to ZANE, 11-01-2001 19:20:43  
Removing the hood and gas tank doesnt worry me at all. What I dont want to have to do is remove the engine and/ or split the tractor in half.



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Dick

11-01-2001 20:50:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Rings on an 8N in reply to 68 Mag, 11-01-2001 19:23:58  
I have replaced rings and even sleeves without splitting the tractor. After the front axle is removed, however, removing the engine is a piece of cake. That way you can have the block boiled out. The engine is much easier to work on when it's on a stand, or even on a bench.



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