Implement and hydraulics questions

#1- I've gotten very confused as to what implements are available for my N. Do I need 3 point, pull type, or mounted? I know it has a 3 point hitch, but why do people talk about using mounted and pull type equipment on their N's? What's the difference?

#2- I have heard two different answers to my question "Does the 8N have remote hydraulic capabilities?" from the local tractor guys- One shop said no, one shop said yes, one shop said buy a Deere. So, does the 8N have remote hydraulic capabilities?

#3- Does anyone have diagrams or plans for building a sprayer? I want to build one, but I have no idea how to get started. But if I had a plan, I could adapt it to my needs.

Thanks for putting up with me,

68 Mag

#1) 3-point mounted implements vs pull implements. Since time inmemeorial, agriculture used draught animals to pull their puny plow thru the hard soil. With the advant of mulit-horsepower traction engines, the "tractor" was still used as big horses but pulled multi-bottom plows that the horses never could. Worked great until you got to then end of the field and needed to turn around. The hydraulic lift of the 3-point solved that problem. But farmers still had all their old horse drawn implements, so the N-Tractor still had to be configured to be "pretend horse" to pull those implements.

Other tractor manufactures and implement manufactures and even the local blacksmithe were impressed with the "advantages" of the hydraulic operated 3-point lift and as soon as they could, (basically after all the Ferguson pattents ran out) started building tractors and implements to work like the Ferguson 3-point stuff. But they still needed to beable to pull things like wagons, old plows, disc harrows, ground driven sickel mowers. Not all implements work best off the hydraulic operated 3-point, but enuff of 'em did so that at onetime there were over 400 in Ford's catalog.

#2) now pay attention. The N-Tractor does not have "live hydraulics" and wasn't designed to have "remote" hydraulics eather. This means in general, the N's internal hydaulic is not as useful as the modern YamaBotaDeere. Howsomever, clever people have found a way to use the internal weak sister hydraulic pump by chaining down the rear lift arms and connecting to the hydraulic pressure test port at the right front corner of the hydraulic pump base.

A major drawback is you loose the use of your 3-point lift system and every time you put your clodhoppers on the clutch peddle, the internal PTO driven hydraulic pump stops pumping. This is why most N's that have front end loaders use a hydraulic pump driven by a stinger off the front crankshaft pully. Cuz as long as the engine is running, you have "live" hydraulics.

#3) There are a lot of Agriculture Colleges and Federal Agriculture and State Agriculture agencys on the WWW. They got all kinds of plans just for the askin'. All you got to do is learn how to "brouse". You'll really get lots of ideas. I've included a link to get you started..... ....respectfully,Dell

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He is also the king of the condescending sideswipe.

Heaven knows Dell has talked me through more than one procedure while repairing my 2N. You may have noticed that Dell is one of the biggest contributors to this board. He goes way out of his way to be helpful.

If memory serves, you are somewhat new to this board. As time goes on, you will realize that Dell is usually pretty calm and very helpful. Try to chalk his response up to him being a little grouchy.

And indeed, when I read a message that I don't particularly feel like answering, I just don't respond. After reading your message, Dell probably wanted to suggest that the archives would be a good place for you to look. It seems to have come out wrong.

You do have questions and that is a good thing. I encourage you to keep on asking them. More than one message I have posted here has been received with an ill-tempered tounge (far more so than Dell's response to you). But this is how we learn.

I've read and re-read my answers to your questions, I think I answered them completely, with explainations. I may have been a little crotchety in suggesting you learn to use the archive search, but I meant no insult.

From some of your enthuastic posts, I get the impression that you are bright and intellegent, thoughtful and observant. I was especially impressed with your tractor safety post about the fellow that had a small child riding in his lap and doing "wheelies" going up a dirt pile.

I hope that you will continue to particapate in the N-Board and bring your youthful insight to a bunch of ol' tractor foggies..... ..respectfully, Dell

joe

Thanks,

68 Mag

Hope this helps..... ..... Ed
'52 8N475798

Fessman

joe