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68 Mag

11-10-2001 12:35:25

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Well, this is just some of my thoughts on my tractor, possibly a question or two.

Well, the gentleman I bought it from says they had rebuild the engine, but it smokes a little. Well, after reading the archives and the YT site (assuming it is blue smoke), would it be possible that the new rings just havent been broken in yet? Also, when we went to look at it, the guy couldnt get it started. He took his had, reached under the hood, and removed all the plugs by hand and poured in some fluid and then put the plugs back in by hand. Is it possible that the loose plugs could have been a part of the problem? After I get it home, I intend to get the serial number and find out what year it is. Then I want to replace the plugs, plug wires, fluids, and grease everything, then tear into the home- made 12 volt mess. Does this seem like a good course of action? Does the IT F0-4 manual cover the electronics?

Just rambling,

68 Mag

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Chuck (CA)

11-10-2001 22:11:08

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Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to 68 Mag, 11-10-2001 12:35:25

Well 6,
The first thing I would probably do is stop worrying if you got a sweet deal or not. (You did.)
Why don't you start with a compression test, both wet and dry? That will be a good indicator of the shape of the rings and/or valves. I've found the most accurate way is to have all plugs out and have carb wide open.
How's the oil look? Any trace of coolant mixed with it? Do you get a good strong blue spark from the plugs?
If these basic things check out good, I would go from there.
BTW, Where do you live? If it becomes too frustrating I'm sure someone here will take it off your hands.
Good Luck,
Chuck

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Bob Smith

11-10-2001 20:10:50

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Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to 68 Mag, 11-10-2001 12:35:25

For $700 Heck you could part it out and get 3 times that out of it!
You didn't get hurt!
And if your like me!
You dont want to see any tractor parted out!
There all worth saving in my eyes no matter how far gone!
Beside's think off all the quality time you and your Dad will share putting it back to like new condition.
Good luck and have fun!
And Boy! let me tell you what a feeling when you hear that motor fire up for the frist time!
Makes all the hard work and aggrevations disappear one heart beat!
Bob Smith

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68 Mag

11-10-2001 20:14:37

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Re: Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to Bob Smith, 11-10-2001 20:10:50

"One weekend a month, one week a year." That's all the time my dad and I will have to work on it, and the Farmall. I guess I'm gonna know a heck of a lot more in the end though, cuz I'll do basic work on it even if he aint here.

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How Much?!?!?! (ED-Illinois)

11-10-2001 21:34:39

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Re: Re: Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to 68 Mag, 11-10-2001 20:14:37

700 bucks!!!

Get two!

that is a great deal especially for the fact that it does run, albeit with some persuation.

and if you were able to work on the farmall, then the rebuild on the ford should be easy for you.

Good Deal

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Bert

11-10-2001 17:43:52

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Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to 68 Mag, 11-10-2001 12:35:25

Don't worry. If it turns over it means the starter works and it ain't froze up.

Just a matter of gettin' fuel and far down that piston hole at the right time. Even with poor compression/worn rings it should start.

Electrics can be flustratin' perspecially 12v perversions, just keep all yer connections clean, tight and bright. Proper voltages can be found by searchin' the archives

Make sure you keep enough clean 30 weight in there while you're crankin' and don't heat up the starter too much.

You got a good deal, even better if you don't give up and part it out.

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ED-Illinois

11-10-2001 15:18:45

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Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to 68 Mag, 11-10-2001 12:35:25

Don't take this the wrong way, but is this a done deal or can you still get out of it. I am not sure what you paid for it, but you haven't even got it home yet and you are having problems with the 12 volt conversion and the engine won't start. I hate to think what you will find when you get it home.

By the way after pouring the elixer into the spark plug holes did it start?

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And another thing (ED-Illinois)

11-10-2001 15:20:43

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Re: Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to ED-Illinois, 11-10-2001 15:18:45

I would be wary of loose plugs - remember those things are pointed right at the fuel tank. If he kept em finger tight, that probably means he does that quite a bit to get it started.

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Darryl

11-10-2001 14:48:08

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Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to 68 Mag, 11-10-2001 12:35:25

I agree with Martin on what the seller's definition of 'rebuilt' is. To me the term rebuilt implies going through the entire engine and if not wholesale replacement of parts, then at least checking wear/clearances to ensure that things are within spec's. As Martin says, just putting in rings isn't much of a 'rebuild'. Did your seller give you any indication of how comprehensive this tractor's rebuild was? This could point you in the direction of potential areas of concern.

PS Doin' sem thankin' is a good thing and can prevent a lot of problems as long as you don't let it get out of hand ;^)

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Martin D.

11-10-2001 13:53:10

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Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to 68 Mag, 11-10-2001 12:35:25

If the engine was properly rebuilt, there should not be any smoke to speak of. I suspect he may have poured a bit of oil into each of the cylinders to boost the compression enough to start. (Oil will help seal the rings) It may have new rings running on cylinder bores that are out of round and tapered. So many people think stuffing new rings into a worn engine constitutes a "rebuild"! There is also the need for good valve sealing and valve guide to valve stem fit. I hope that this is not the case with your tractor but keep it in mind when you start working on it in earnest.

The IT manual covers the original 6 volt system very well but a 12 volt conversion isn't covered there. You will get direction to some good info about conversions and you can try the archives as you will find tons of info there. I left mine as original 6v as it has served well for 51 years with just battery replacements and one regulator and gen rebuild. The 12 volt was often put in to try to compensate for a worn engine or to run a 12 volt sprayer etc.

"Doin some thanking" sure can lead to some interesting thoughts eh? (I am Canadian, so I can say 'eh') Ha Ha

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68 Mag

11-10-2001 15:39:56

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Re: Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to Martin D., 11-10-2001 13:53:10

Well, Ed, it's a done deal. Shoot, I may just use it as a parts tractor...(yeah, right). But I just couldnt pass up an 8N with Sherman Hi/ Lo transmission for 700. Now, I'm kinda worried after reading all those replies. I asked earlier and didnt get a satisfactory answer- Is a total engine rebuild something my father and I can do, and how much work am I looking at? I've heard all this about machine shops and boring and cylinders- What have I gone and done? I aint using it as a parts tractor, cuz if I had the money to do that, I'd a just bought a running one in the first place.

Slightly worried,

68 Mag

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roperboy

11-10-2001 16:17:11

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Re: Re: Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to 68 Mag, 11-10-2001 15:39:56

hi 68mag, you did fine for $700. i would have done it myself. i am completely rebuilding/restoring a 47 2n. have been working on it since june. should be done by the end of the month. have rebuilt eng,hyd,brakes,seals,removed sherman and inspected and rebuilt many smaller components. you can do it also. its not that hard just time consuming.the hardest part is cleaning 50 or so years of dirt and gunk and repainting. if you have the time, get it home and tear into it and do it right. you will be happy with the end result.

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Kevin CO

11-10-2001 16:04:48

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Re: Re: Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to 68 Mag, 11-10-2001 15:39:56

Save your worrying. 700 for a complete tractor with a sherman hi-lo is a very good deal. I would buy one in a heartbeat if I had the chance.

You would have to do a TON of work before you would be on the short end of that deal.

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chrisr

11-11-2001 08:13:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Various musings, aka 'I's been doin' sem thankin...' in reply to Kevin CO, 11-10-2001 16:04:48

I think you got a great deal no matter what condition it is in. IF you have to put some money in it you still got a good deal! Get a manual and have some patience. Also, The guys that frequent this board are a great help. My father bought a 50 8n in non running condition and with the help of these guys I bladed my driveway this morning! Thanks and good luck to you. Chrisr #860729

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