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68 Mag

11-29-2001 14:23:05

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Here's the deal. My 1948 8N has no air cleaner, and the oil level is almost on 'Danger', and it needs a ring job. You wouldnt even think of using an N in this condition, would you? Well, my dad is. He said 'You're going to have to rebuild the engine anyways, so it wont hurt it.'. He wants to buy a blade for it and 'fix' the road. Help me convince im not to use it until it's fixed, please.

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68 Mag

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Rusty 2N

11-30-2001 16:38:32

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Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:23:05

Hey!! this is an old Ford we are dealing with here. Oil is a must, good pressure is an option. Alittle american inginuity on the air cleaner & keep oil in her & make the road. Oh and don't forget to smile & pat her hood once in awhile. You do have a few good horses working for you there. Play safe.

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Jim CT

11-29-2001 21:37:42

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Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:23:05

If there is clean up work to do get that tractor runnig.If your Dad wants spring for a blade great.I see amoney making oppertunity here or at least a way to help withe expenses.Those flooded people will need things moved,grading,dirt removal ect.You've asked about implaments well see if you can borrow-lease rent to own what you need tomake the clean up easier.I suggest-a blade ,scoop, stoneboat-sled,clevis hook,hitch balls chain ,and rope.
If the tractor dies see about renting or borrowing one a young man with ambtion is hard to say no to.Don,t expect to do nothing but sit on the seat I suspect there will be a lot of manual labor.Sounds like agreat opperunity.

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Bob in NY

11-29-2001 16:56:11

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Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:23:05

The time you spent complaining could have been used filling up the oil, and cobbing up an air filter. Sounds like you don't want to help with the scraping. (Sounds like my kids.) Hint: an old car radiator hose will work in a pinch. Just don't lay it directly on the exhaust. Spend some bucks on an oil gauge,,,soon. Bob

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68 Mag

11-29-2001 18:05:24

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Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to Bob in NY, 11-29-2001 16:56:11

Bob, I wasnt complaining. My parents really arent helping at all with me acquiring money for parts or repairs, and I was afraid running it like this would lock it up, due to some rumors I've heard. I have no money to buy any parts or oil right now, and I dont see me getting any in the near future. I dont mind spending time on my tractor, if I did I would have asked for something else for Christmas...

68 Mag

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Bob in NY

11-29-2001 18:27:08

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Re: Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 18:05:24

'68, Improvise. When you do get money for some oil, and put it in the tractor, don't just throw out the empty containers,,,put a funnel into one, and drain all the others into it. When your dad uses a quart for his car/truck, drain that. If he changes his own oil,,,that's the motherlode!! You will be surprised how fast you get oil. Even ask friends,,,before they get wise and do it too. As for your air filter, it isn't the safest thing to have the carb. open right near the exhaust, so find an old exhaust pipe and bend it, or as I suggested, an old radiator hose. Someone have an old junker sitting out in a field nearby?? Ask if you can take the hose...and be neat. Save the old clamps.$$. If you are thinking about converting it to 12 volts, while in the field, ask about the alternator if it is a GM. Snow season is coming soon,,,BARTER some shovel time for parts or money. Tell your dad how low the oil is, and ask if he'll help out,,,just don't run it dry! Keep scrounging! Bob

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Dwight

11-29-2001 21:12:36

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to Bob in NY, 11-29-2001 18:27:08

Bob, do you go back far enough to remember draining oil out of the old cardboard oil cans. It was always amazing how much oil I could get out of those cans after they were " drained ".

Of course I did manage to find a way to blow the whole wad at one time. Dad sent me out to change the oil in the 57 chevy half ton. I must have been about 15 at the time. He left on a business trip the next morning about four o'clock. Got about sixty miles from home when the transmision started acting funny. Dad caught on real quick. He pulled into a service station and checked the oil level. sure enough it was two inches above the add oil mark. Transmision was empty tho.

Never did figure out why he didn't kill me when he got home. Dwight

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Bob in NY

11-29-2001 21:30:35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to Dwight, 11-29-2001 21:12:36

OUCH !! I STILL drain oilcans!! I drive a lot, and change my oil a lot. I seldom put in a "new" quart of oil in my 2N,,,it is almost always from the "reclaimed" stuff. Never did that with the transmission, but once when in high school, working on the farm, the boss asked me to drain the plain water out of the Farmall "H" so it wouldn't freeze overnight. Somehow I managed to find the tractor in the snow and darkness, and with heavy gloves on, found the petcock. Found out the next morning, when the boss found the popped-out freeze plug, that I found a GAS petcock, not the WATER. That gastank didn't freeze!! OOOPS!! Bob

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68 Mag

11-29-2001 18:31:29

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to Bob in NY, 11-29-2001 18:27:08

Well, sadly, it has already been converted to 12 volt and there isnt much snow to shovel in Tennessee...however, if I had a boat I could make a good deal of money ferrying people through the floods...Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that used car/ truck oil is ok to use in it? Will the oil out of a Ford F250 Diesel work?

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Bob in NY

11-29-2001 20:36:35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 18:31:29

NO! Don't use used oil! What I said was when they put oil in their car/truck, the "empty" container still has lots of oil on the sides. They just don't wait long enough for all of it to drain. YOU take a funnel, and let it drain into an empty oilcan for a couple of hours. If they change their own oil, then you will have 4 or 5 "empty" containers to drain out. They see it as "waste",,,but you should see it as your private oilwell. You said you don't have a boat, so you can't ferry people thru the flood,,,but they are going to have awful messes when they do get back to their houses. They might not want to shovel mud out of their homes. Rough work, but if you don't have enough money to buy OIL, you surely aren't able to afford an overhaul. MANY years ago, I worked on a friends farm. (Where I learned how to drive tractors.) I shoveled more horse, cow, and chicken poop than you could ever dream of, but I bought and supported a used car, and flying lessons. (I still have a pilot license.) People in high school didn't believe I worked on a farm and had what I had, but it does work. Look to DO work, not how to AVOID it. Bob

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Ken in PA

11-29-2001 16:11:50

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Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:23:05

I would at least do something for the air cleaner. Even if it is crude and home built you should put something on it. Just take a look around and you will come up with something to work.

I couldn't find one for the air compressor in my shop and couldn't wait for the place to order one so now it has a metal disc welded to a pipe nipple that screws into the head, on top of that is a Pontiac Grand Am Quad 4 air cleaner element covered by a coffee can!

Please don't run it without a filter.....Please!
Thank you

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Dell (WA)

11-29-2001 15:23:39

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Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:23:05

68 Mag..... ..little bit of confusion here. If'n ya ain't gotts no aircleaner, how come yer talkin'bout oil level almost on danger.

8N's use an oilbath aircleaner because they are very effective in a dusty environment like what a blade would stir up "fixxin' the road".

Now then, if'n ya means no airfilter oilmesh inside the canister, go shoppin' ata grocerystore an' find ya somesort of copper wool pot and pan cleaner and use that to stuff innna the oilmesh partition. This trapps the fine stuff that makes it around the bend of the oilbath.

Now then, if'n ya means danger lowlevel onnna the oilpan dipstick, shoot fire, put some more oil innna the engine so ya donna run out and really muck up the engine crankshaft bearings.

If'n ya really donna have an N-filter cansister, ya really need something to prevent serious ingestion problems. Check out some of those hotrod VW carb socks as a temporary aircleaner..... ..Dell

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68 Mag

11-29-2001 18:08:44

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Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to Dell (WA), 11-29-2001 15:23:39

Dell- I have nothing that even resembles an air cleaner canister. In fact, the only evidence that one was ever even on my tractor is the port on the carb for the hose, and the mounting holes for the canister. I was talking about the engine oil, just to clear up any confusion. If I have to, I'll at least tape an old rag over the port on the carb- would that work, or become a fire hazard?

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Dell (WA)

11-30-2001 00:08:42

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Re: Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 18:08:44

68 Mag..... .stuff a rag innna carb throat to keep mieces and birdies and other riff-raff from building nests innna there. Rags donnna make diddly-squatt for airfilters, get sucked into carb throat and mucks up carb jets and floods the engine..... ..Dell

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Jim Qc

11-29-2001 14:51:05

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Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:23:05

Listen to your Daddy.

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Greg NE

11-29-2001 14:45:23

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Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:23:05

68Mag, At the least you should fill up the oil to the safe area. If your Dad really wants to use it I would suggest at least try to find a length of hose that fits over the air inlet and get it up in the air away from the ground to keep anymore dirt from getting in the motor. I personally don't like to run any motor without an air cleaner on it except when tuning it. Zane,I beleive has posted that it can be dangerous to run these tractors without an aircleaner on them, fire hazard. If you can find a hose you maybe can find some kind of air filter to fit over the end of the hose to get by with also. My 2 1/2 cents worth Good luck Greg NE

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Danny in CO

11-29-2001 14:38:49

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Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:23:05

68 Mag,

Let's look at the possibilities.

Running with no air cleaner will wear out the rings and sleeves. You say it needs a ring job so I assume you will change the rings and sleeves. So running without an air cleaner won't really hurt.

If the oil level is on danger, add oil. If the oil pressure is very low (almost 0), then don't run it as you can damage the rod and main bearings which you will want to replace when you rebuild it. However, damaged bearings can also damage the crank. Not good.

So in my opinion, if the tractor has decent oil pressure, use it as long as you can, then rebuild.

Danny

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68 Mag

11-29-2001 14:43:19

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Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to Danny in CO, 11-29-2001 14:38:49

Well, that's another thing. The oil pressure guage is unreadable. It's literally turned black, I'm assuming from a leak. So, I dont know if the pressure is good or not.

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Danny in CO

11-29-2001 14:48:16

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Re: Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:43:19

Oil gauges are cheap and relatively easy to find. Replace the old one so you will know what your oil pressure is. It's an easy job to replace it.

In my opinion, the oil pressure guage is the most important indicator on the tractor. Even after the rebuild, you'll need to know what the pressure is.

Danny

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ED-Illinois

11-29-2001 14:33:10

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Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:23:05

If your dad has experience with tractors, you might want to listen to his advice. I am amazed that my '46 2n can do as much as it does. And here is how it looked when I got it.

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Sure it smokes a little and leaks oil and needs coolant every 10 hours or so, but man does it work. Besides, the grading work will help you figure out its abilities. Here is a picture of mine pulling a shed.

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It has pulled things heavier, like felled oak trees, and never had a rebuild.

So top off the oil and grit your teeth and have fun grading.

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68 Mag

11-29-2001 14:36:47

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Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to ED-Illinois, 11-29-2001 14:33:10

Well, my dad has little to no experience with tractors, at least in the last 10-15 years. Do you really think it would be ok to use it, if I kept the oil filled?

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ED-Illinois

11-29-2001 14:42:50

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Re: Re: Re: Y'all, help me out here, please. in reply to 68 Mag, 11-29-2001 14:36:47

read danny's response above

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