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Sat for 2 years and still sitting
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I struck out today!

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Paul in forsyth

12-02-2001 14:44:52




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Towed the tractor up and down the road. Sounds like a 9N as long as the truck was pulling it.
Push in the clutch and nothing.
My voltage cutout is not marked so I switched wires to make sure it wasn't that - didn't change results.
I don't have a lot of mechanics tools or testing equipment.
I have a newly charged battery providing spark. Cleaned the carb and I've got fuel at the carb.
How do I check to make sure the fuel is being sucked into the cylinders?
Any other suggestions, I am listening.

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9n'er

12-03-2001 01:41:28




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 Re: Sat for 2 years and still sitting - I struck out today! in reply to Paul in forsyth, GA, 12-02-2001 14:44:52  
Hang in there fella... had my 9N go through similar problems when I got it, and then assembling it after I tore it down and apart for a restoration. It blew my mind and my patience. It can totaly fry a sane man's senses when it just won't start. Best thing to do is walk away from it, clear your head, and go at it with renewed drive (no pun intended).

consider everyone else's replies but here is my approach to the same problem (in case you havent't done this yet).

Look at each potential problem area and break it down into three parts.
1. Electrical/ignition
2. Gas and fuel
3. Mechanical r.e. sticking valves, oil pumps, pistons, rings, air filter replace oil in that, ensure no mouse nests in engine, exhaust, etc. etc.
a. Systematically problem solve the electrical until you have the correct voltage at the coil and a strong blue spark at the plugs. Just doing that, and spending the time only on the elctrical installation by installing new wires if old ones are brittl, frayed, rotted etc, timing it, new points and correct gap, condensor, rotor, plugs, switches (if old or suspect), checking all connections looking tight and clean, fully charged battery. Run through the checklist and be thorough. This will give some peace of mind. Follow the current flow from the switch to the coil and to the plugs with a light meter and volt meter. Every component of your electrical system should be in top notch shape. Remove the distributor and ensure that wires are grounded correctly and not touching and shorting out. TDC, Rotor at 1. Once done, check the spark and volts if you have a meter and if it is all up to snuff...good...walk away and revisit the tractor another day to do the fuel part of the problem.

2. Carburetor/Fuel. Start at the tank and ensure fuel flow from the tank to the carb is great. Old gas? any debris in the tank settling in to the line? Check throttle, linkages, spray em down. Remove carb and overhaul it if it has not been done. A cheap and semi routine easy to do simple maintenance thing. Follow the manual...set the float, blow out the jets, replace all needle valves, soak it in a heavy duty solvent for a day or two, rebuild it, reassemble on to tractor. Check fuel flow into carb and out the bottom through drain. Check linkages at governor to carb...

If you are certain that the fuel flow is good, plugs are wet, move on to step three...

Valves. Can't offer you any advice there, but while you have the carb off, remove the muffler, remove inspection plates and give them a look over and fire away the questions to Dell, Zane, and others here...sounds like if you have done the ignition and fuel part of this as thorough and complete as possible you're moving closer to the problem.

Sorry for the long reply...but if you are like me, I sometimes tend to jumble up the no start dillemma and bounce around until I approach it with a logical system and sequence. 9N'er

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Pitch

12-02-2001 18:35:14




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 Re: Sat for 2 years and still sitting - I struck out today! in reply to Paul in forsyth, GA, 12-02-2001 14:44:52  
I had trouble with my '49 once and it turns out that it had a rubber tipped float needle in the carb that was sticking I removed it wiped it with a rag dropped it back in and the machine fired right up. happened again a couple of weeks later so I replaced it with an all brass needle and have had no trouble since. Takes about 15 20 minutes to disassemble the carb if you are real careful you can reuse the old gasket. at least mine was still good any way.
do the simple free or cheap before you start looking at expensive fixes. good luck

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Duey (IA)

12-02-2001 18:25:30




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 Re: Sat for 2 years and still sitting - I struck out today! in reply to Paul in forsyth, GA, 12-02-2001 14:44:52  
Paul, Have someone crank it over with the starter while you hold a piece of paper over the exhaust outlet. If it sucks the paper down as each cylinder turns over, you may have stuck or at least leaking exhaust valves. On the intake stroke, with the exhaust valve stuck open, it will suck air in from both intake and exhaust valves! If this is the case, it won't suck enough fuel/air mixture to start. Duey

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Dell (WA)

12-02-2001 15:24:38




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 Re: Sat for 2 years and still sitting - I struck out today! in reply to Paul in forsyth, GA, 12-02-2001 14:44:52  
Paul..... ..Time to get serious. I went back thru all your recent posts and nowhere do I find that you posted your engine compression readings. If'n yer engine sat for 2 years, good possiblity that you got some stuck/sticky valves. Do a dry and then a wet compression test on all 4 cylinders and write 'em down. Post 'em back on the N-Board and we'll try to make sense outta 'em. Realize that most stuck/sticky valves/rings can be re-habitualized without tearing down the engine completely.

Voltage cutout has nothing to do with not starting and if'n you did what you claimed, you better re-polarize it and make certain your still positive ground, like Henry meant it to be. And I ain't gonna tell you how to polarize your voltage regulator because I have to look it up to make certain I do it correctly and you can do the same..... ....Dell

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Mike S

12-02-2001 14:58:59




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 Re: Sat for 2 years and still sitting - I struck out today! in reply to Paul in forsyth, GA, 12-02-2001 14:44:52  
Easiest way is to pull the plugs and see if they are wet with fuel. I would start by doing a regular tuneup, plugs, points, condenser, etc. And while I was at it, would start at the switch and follow the voltage to the coil to make sure it was getting there. While you have the distributor cap off, turn over the engine to make sure the distributor is turning the rotor. Check the archives, there are some other tips for troubleshooting. If you can fix a lawnmower, you can fix an N. Just multiple the problems by four!

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