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8N326

12-05-2001 15:13:35




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Hey Guys,

I need some more help for my 8N. I have a front mount 8N that I cannot get to run.. I have replaced points, condensor, 2 sets of plugs..still does the same thing..It will start with the throttle at low speed, run for a few seconds and die, every so often I can get it to throttle up higher, but then just dies out again. I noticed today that the carb is leaking from the bottom and it has about a 1/8 inch hole in the bottom..Is there suppossed to be something there? Also I pulled one of the new plugs to ck for spark ( blue spark) and noticed the plugs are now black and sooty looking...any help is much appreciated!
Thanks

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George Thomas

12-09-2001 14:22:10




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 Re: HELP!!! in reply to 8N326, 12-05-2001 15:13:35  
Ok, guys here it is!!!

I had a lot of trouble getting my 8N/9N to run and keep running, sometimes it would start run for a little while then shutdown. Sometimes it just plain old would not start. I tore the ignition system apart put it back on, same old thing. Sometimes good things happened, sometimes nothing.

I did notice that the good usually happened after I tore the ignition system apart. I mean it would sometimes start, run for awhile . . . usually just long enough to get it about a quarter mile from the barn . . . and bingo, stop like I had shot her with a gun. (I was ready to do that a couple of times).

Finally, I tore the ignition system apart and started looking at everything very closely.

Here is what I found.

My tractor has the front mounted distributor. The coil is compression mounted with the bail to hold it in place. That darn coil was the source of all my trouble.

What happens is . . . the spring that extends from the underside of the coil and makes contact with the screw head inside the distributor. I had always been very careful not to disturb the spring for fear that I would break it off. Well, the darn spring, over the long period that it has been on the tractor, has gotten hot and lost it's spring.

So when the coil was placed back on the distributor there was an air gap between the end of the spring and the screw head it is supposed to come in contact with.

My fix was to take a wire brush to the spring. Very carefully remove all the corrosion on the spring. Pull it out, so that it extends far enough so that when you set the coil on the distributor there is some obvious compression of the spring into the screw head.

There is one more compression electrical connection on the coil too. Make sure that both of the connections are good and solid.

No connections on these two contact points and you get no electrcial connection between the coil and the distributor, therefore no spark to the plugs.

Good luck

Sincerely
George

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Canadianiner

12-06-2001 09:46:42




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 Re: HELP!!! in reply to 8N326, 12-05-2001 15:13:35  
You are not missing your main jet needle are you?
Just a thought.



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Bob in NY

12-05-2001 19:06:48




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 Re: HELP!!! in reply to 8N326, 12-05-2001 15:13:35  

You might have a few problems here.
1) Missing the sintered bronze to slowly bleed extra gas. Plug it, and be able to pull the hose to the air cleaner off, to drain excess gas.
2) Carb float may not fully close.
3) Might have stuff clogging the fuel line strainers:a) in tank. b)in sediment bowl.c)in elbow at inlet to carb. A quick way to temporarily clean the tank filter is to close off gas valve. Remove glass bowl. Blow into a 1/4" rubber hose (foot long or so) while opening gas valve and holding hose to opening where gas is coming out. Do it with the engine cold, please. Sediment bowl might still have screen above glass bowl. Mine was packed solid it crud. Elbow at Carb has filter. (Cheap at Ford dealership.) Also, make sure your air cleaner IS clean. Good luck, Bob

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JAMES LEE (TN)

12-05-2001 16:44:48




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 Re: HELP!!! in reply to 8N326, 12-05-2001 15:13:35  
A plug that is black with carbon will not fire under pressure even though it will fire outside of the cylinder. Before trying to restart, make sure the plugs are clean or new.



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J52J

12-05-2001 15:54:20




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 Re: HELP!!! in reply to 8N326, 12-05-2001 15:13:35  
It sounds flooded to me.



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PCC-AL

12-05-2001 15:34:14




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 Re: HELP!!! in reply to 8N326, 12-05-2001 15:13:35  
Hi 8N326,
If I understand your post correctly, it sounds as if the drain plug in the carb bowl is missing. Under the carb there is a bolt (plug) that screws into the bowl. Is this the hole you are talking about? If this hole is open you will lose all your gas. Good luck.



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Larry 8N75381

12-05-2001 17:00:28




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 Re: Re: HELP!!! in reply to PCC-AL, 12-05-2001 15:34:14  
I suspect he means the "sintered" bronze plug at the bottom of the air intake that is "susposed to" let out any LIQUID gas that may get in the air intake. Common cause for flooding of the engine is liquid gas in the bottom of the carb air passage - flat heads flood VERY easily - at least mine does!

If that plug is missing - i.e. you can push a wire up thru the hole into the carb throat - it will allow dust to get directly into the engine. VERY BAD!!!

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PCC-AL

12-05-2001 17:09:29




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP!!! in reply to Larry 8N75381, 12-05-2001 17:00:28  
I agree, thanks for the info.



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Larry 8N75381

12-05-2001 17:29:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP!!! in reply to PCC-AL, 12-05-2001 17:09:29  
I've got a carb that I'm sure that drain plug is clogged up. I took off the air intake hose/pipe and got a cup of gas out - even though the tractor had sat for a day or so. Got to figure a way to open it up. The passages thru it are VERY small - so that dust cannot get thru.

Hey, I just wondered if maybe someone put that carb thru a cleaning solution that not only removed the varnish and gum but the bronze also. ?!?!?!? WE know that some cleaners will eat up the brass jets in the carb. That would explain it not being there, if that is the case. It is a "non-servicable" part! So you would not bother with it during a carb rebuild.

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