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Won't start when it's damp and chilly? Stops after 45min?

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Rob

12-16-2001 07:37:32




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My 2N generally started ok and ran for 45-60 minutes and then stopped. I wouldn't be able to restart it for a good long while. Also it was impossible to start when the weather was damp and chilly.
I rebuilt the carb and found the choke plate positioning was confusing because the choke plate has a spring-loaded valve (choke poppet valve) in it that wouldn't open the way the choke plate had been installed. The parts diagrams in the Manuals and in the rebuild kit weren't clear and seemed to show the choke plate to go in with that poppet valve in there so it never opened! It was difficult and counter-intuitive to install the choke plate so that the choke poppet valve was positioned properly. However, I set it up so the popper valve would be sucked open when the carb was fully-choked and now that 2N starts so good in any weather! Not even one revolution to fire!
Look into the air inlet of the carb and the choke poppet valve should be on the top-half of the choke plate and you can push the poppet open with your finger or other probe.
As you may know the recommended starting procedure is to take it out of gear, set the throttle open about 7 notches, fully-choke the carb, crank the engine and immediately release the choke. That choke poppet valve needs to be pulled open while the carb is choked so a little air/fuel is sucked in. Make sure it's set-up so that happens. I hope you have the same results i got. Good luck.

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Steve IA

12-16-2001 10:33:25




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 Re: Won't start when it's damp and chilly? Stops after 45min? in reply to Rob, 12-16-2001 07:37:32  
As far as the running 45 to 60 minutes then quitting and not restarting, that sounds like classic weak coil. No testing it, just replace it and problem should go away. BTDT. HTH Steve 8N 169302



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Rob

12-16-2001 10:39:18




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 Re: Re: Won't start when it's damp and chilly? Stops after 45min? in reply to Steve IA, 12-16-2001 10:33:25  
Problem went away after fixing the carb.



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Dan

12-16-2001 12:34:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Won't start when it's damp and chilly? Stops after 45min? in reply to Rob, 12-16-2001 10:39:18  
'Glad you got it fixed before you shelled out big bucks for a coil as suggested !!!!

I would like to know , how many coils were replaced needlessly in the last year ?



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Rob

12-17-2001 02:13:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Won't start when it's damp and chilly? Stops after 45min? in reply to Dan , 12-16-2001 12:34:34  
For 35 years I've worked on my own vehicles and I've never had to replace a coil. I know problems (like George's) can happen on the N coz of the way the coil is mounted on that front-mount distributor. I noticed the coil on my 2N wasn't snug down on the distributor because the wire hold-down clip was bent away from 90-degrees and didn't seat properly in the hole on one end.
Back to my original post, I think 45 minutes was longer than that thing would actually run. Maybe it was 20 minutes, I don't know. Anyway, a kit and proper assembly of the carb made it all go away and it starts so quickly it surprises me! It's 6v btw.

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George

12-16-2001 18:21:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Won't start when it's damp and chilly? Stops after 45min? in reply to Dan , 12-16-2001 12:34:34  
I had a similar problem - run for a while then shutdown. However, my problem turned out to be in the way the coil mounts to the distributor. There are two contacts that are made by compression when the coil is placed on the distributor and held in place by the bail.

One contact is a small spring that extends into the distributor to mate up with a screw head to the points.

The other is "bent tongue" type contact.

The one that caused me problems, the start ok, run for a little while and crap out, was the spring that extends into the distributor. The spring had become soft due to it's long life and because of being heated up and cooling doing. I discovered that corrosion had also built up on the end of the spring tip. Thus, I had a high resistance connection and after while, due to higher resistance as the temperature rises, there would be loss of spark and bingo the engine would shutdown.

I cleaned off the corrosion, stretched the spring out with a little, but very gentle tug, installed the coil back on the distributor. No more problem!

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Dan

12-20-2001 07:32:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Won't start when it's damp and chilly? Stops after 45min? in reply to George, 12-16-2001 18:21:21  
Yes George ,

That's called "calibrated bending" in Electronics .

Again no BIG bucks !



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