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9N'er

12-18-2001 10:08:00




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Christams day. What ya'all do on that day or the night before. The reason why I ask is this:

My family is scattered around the country and world. Parents are in Ohio, and it's not affordable for us to take-off and drive there. In short, we're spending Christmas here.

My wife Karen lost her Dad to cancer this past July and her Mom to cancer about 6 years ago.

This is a sort of bittersweet Christmas (mostly for her...) for us, because this will be her first Christmas without "Grandpa" coming over, and the excitement of going to his house on Christmas eve to be with him and the rest of her family here.

She has her "moments" these past two weeks where she is sad and not looking forward to Christmas w/o her Dad. So,

I am wondering what I can do to make a day somewhat cheery and do, or go somewhere, or do some thing for her and my 4 year old to take the sting off the memories of past Christmas days and the reality that her Dad is no longer going to be here on holidays...or Grandpa is not coming over.

What do you'all do, or suggest I can do here in northern New Hampshire for my family?

I know it's an odd question, but I am trying to think how I can add some cheer, and begin to make this holiday a tradition for us, and for our 4 year old Hunter without Grandpa now. 9N'er

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Bill Orono, MN

12-19-2001 15:09:01




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
Sleigh or tractor wagon ride, nice dinner, spend time with the kids. Sled (although not much snow this year)and roast marshmellows (sp?) on a fire



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Steve W

12-19-2001 06:56:46




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
I went through this last Xmas. My Grandmother passed away. She lived til 91, so she led a full life, but it was a still a tough loss. We hosted her at our house at Xmas time, and she was part of our tradition.

So last year things just weren't right. I did one thing with my daughter that made Xmas just really special. We notice some small children who are not exposed to elderly people sometimes get scared in the presense of a senior citizen, and I don't want that, but there aren't many old folks in our life with our grandmother gone.

I decided it will be a new tradition in our family. I took my daughter to a local nursing home, and with my guitar accompaniment, we sang Xmas carols to the old folks. She was really shy at first, but just the presense of her cute self made the old folks smile, and some of them even sang. After awhile she was happy, the old folks were happy, and me.....well....I knew my grandma would be proud.

So this year my wife called the nursing home, and we are taking home made cookies (yes check with dieticians first) and we are all going over this saturday for a visit.

I guess the reason I relayed this to you, is that the main thing is if you don't give yourself an oppurtunity to sit and think, the sting will be less. And maybe you will find something to substitute your loss.

Take Care and Happy Holidays
Steve

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dale b [ ontario canada ]

12-19-2001 02:48:24




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
my wife lost her dad on oct.4th of this year. dad always spent christmas with us, spending much time with the kids and feasting. after the kids went to bed , dad the wife and i would go down to the reck room and have some adult drinks.we would spend the rest of the night laughing at his funny stories. he had a way of telling a story that always made you laugh. my wife was finding it hard to deal with the loss of her father. a few days ago she suggested we volunteer at the local soup kitchen for christman dinner. we all thought that would be a great idea. she is now looking forward to that and it seems to keep her mind off her dad. the kids already have thier sunday dresses out and ready for the ocasion.
i think helping others, takes your mind off your own loss.
i know after dinner i will head down to the reckroom and have a few for dad.
we wish everyone a happy holiday season...
dale b

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DON TX

12-18-2001 21:31:36




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
Sorry for your families loss. I suggest visiting a local church Christmas service. They usually have a calming effect that is needed this emotional time of year. It also puts you around some very nice, understanding people. It might start a new tradition! The poem should be some great help. I hope I can find it later in life when I need it. Just remind her of the good times and show her that she is important to you and your family. HTH DON TX

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Bri9n(Ont)

12-18-2001 19:52:00




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
9N'er, you've got some good advice here from some wise folk...the way I look at situations like this to help guide my actions is to consider how, in this case your father-in-law, looking down on us, would like to see you spend the day..... .I suspect it would be in a manner similar to what Steveo suggests, at your childs level....along with this provide some opportunites to allow your wife to relate memories of her Christmas's as a child, and your well on your way to your own Christmas tradition...Brian.

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Brent

12-18-2001 15:54:19




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
My wife lost her Dad at her age of 16. She lost her mother in 99. The one thing I try and do, is listen to what she has to say about her parents, I will suggest us to visit their graves, and she says "OK". We now put flowers on their graves most of the time. And sometimes, we just go for a drive to just visit their graves. It seems to help. I will never forget my Grandparents taking me off to the side one day along time ago. They said, Brent...Dont ever forget us. I dont, and I never will. Sometimes its a long drive to Parkersburg WV from Columbus, Ohio. But it helps to visit their graves. Even though I know they are not there. They are in Heaven. But its a material thing, for us thats still here. Its not a bad thing to miss your loved ones. Its not a bad thing to cry either. But yes, time does heal our loss, but that doesnt mean we dont stop missing, or loving.
Brent

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Mike C #2 BC

12-18-2001 15:11:12




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
You are not alone. My wife is in the same situation having lost her dad ( 71 )to cancer earlier this year. Also my mother in NE England is on her last legs ( 1920 ) model. A suggestion, get a book on birds in your area, and as you spend time at home over Christmas, try and identify what you see through the window. The whole family can do this, ages 4 to 84. It helps attatch us to the many friends around us. There may be a naturalist club in your area that does a Christmas bird count.

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don t. - 9n180179..after posting I got an email w/a poem. deja-vue???

12-18-2001 13:30:36




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
This poem is so beautiful.....
Although my personal loss was not this Christmas....
I hope you can find some peace in your heart when
you read this
(especially those who have lost someone special this year).....
God Bless Us All.


MY FIRST CHRISTMAS IN HEAVEN
I see the countless Christmas trees around the world below
With tiny lights, like Heaven's stars, reflecting on the snow.
The sight is so spectacular, please wipe away the tear.
For I am spending Christmas with Jesus Christ this year.

I hear the many Christmas songs that people hold so dear,
But the sounds of music can't compare with the Christmas choir up here.
I have no words to tell you, the joy their voices bring.
For it is beyond description, to hear the angels sing.
I know how much you miss me, I see the pain inside your heart.
But I am not so far away. We really aren't apart.
So be happy for me, dear ones. You know I hold you dear.
And be glad I'm spending Christmas with Jesus Christ this year.

I sent you each a special gift, from my heavenly home above.
I sent you each a memory of my undying love.
After all, love is a gift more precious than pure gold.
It was always most important in the stories Jesus told.
Please love and keep each other, as my Father said to do,
For I can't count the blessing or love He has for each of you.

So have a Merry Christmas and wipe away that tear.
Remember, I am spending Christmas with Jesus Christ this year.

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E-mail me a copy please

12-20-2001 06:35:51




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 Re: Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to don t. - 9n180179..after posting I got an email w/a poem. deja-vue???, 12-18-2001 13:30:36  
don t:

Can you forward me a copy of the poem?

Thanks,

Charles

And Merry Christmas



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jim

12-18-2001 14:46:39




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 Re: Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to don t. - 9n180179..after posting I got an email w/a poem. deja-vue???, 12-18-2001 13:30:36  
Maybe she will feel better knowing that I am passing that poem along to our neighbours.
Their 32yr. old son passed away suddenly this week after years of suffering many setbacks as the result of an industrial accident some years ago. My wife taught this boy in Sunday school as well. I'm sure this poem will lighten their load during this otherwise joyeous season.
Once again , thanks for sharing this poem ,for by doing so , you have helped many others.
This is the true reason for the season!

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Charles C (MO)- THANKS

12-18-2001 13:57:24




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 Re: Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to don t. - 9n180179..after posting I got an email w/a poem. deja-vue???, 12-18-2001 13:30:36  
THANKS.

My wife lost her dad and grandmother this year and this will help make the holidays and the days ahead a little brighter for everyone.

Hope you and yours have a happy safe holiday,

Charles



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Steveo

12-18-2001 11:51:11




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
9N er,
I was thinking along the same lines as Joe, for you that could mean thinking from your child's point of view and giving him/her those memories to have. At four years old, they will not feel the pain of loss that you and your wife will, and will still experience the wonder of Christmas and family closeness. If there are any relatives or just close friends that could join you on Christmas eve, that is a good way to break the thought pattern of your wife's recent losses, and that will be good for her. If you try to do something TOO special, you could end up disappointed and in even worse shape. Spend time playing with your child (reading etc), by coming down to their level and doing what THEY want - which is your undivided attention. This will instill the best memories and begin a tradition that is worth carrying on for generations. Best wishes to you and your family!
Steveo

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Tom 8N396936

12-18-2001 11:34:31




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
N'er, I don't have any wise advice but we sure will say a prayer for your family this Christmas.
tom



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Jack-Illinois

12-18-2001 11:17:37




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
Just be there for her. It's her first Christmas without "Dad", so incourage her to let you know what she wants to do. I lost my mother 10 years ago on Nov. 23. The first Christmaas was gloomy for the whole faimily. We got through it and the next Christmas was lots better. Some things just take time to heal the wounds, so don't try to rush it too much.

Just my 2 cents too - Jack



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ED-Illinois

12-18-2001 11:56:54




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 Re: Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to Jack-Illinois, 12-18-2001 11:17:37  
I agree with Jack, and not just because he is from Illinois too.

I think your intentions are good to try to cheer up your wife. However, there might be a downside. If she does manage to forget about her loss, and have a good time, when she remembers it again, the change in emotion will be like a big roller coaster amplifying the depression and anguish she is experiencing. Also, you might become frustrated if she does not manage to forget about her loss, and that wouldn't leave you in a good place to deal with holiday stress.

Take it easy and spend some time with your wife. Make sure she gets a chance to talk about what she is feeling.

Grieving is important. I have friends who are married and after many attempts to get have a baby, they finally were expecting. Unfortunatly, while in the delivery room, the baby died. Several counsellors advised them on how to deal with what had happened. One of the strangest pieces of advice was for them to continue preparations on the baby's room, and to not lock away all the baby shower gifts. The thinking is that you don't want to deny that the baby existed by locking away all the items which point to a baby being in the family.

Much in the same way, forgetting about her father at Christmas may lock away some very good memories.

I hope I helped a little. God Bless.

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Dick former Granitestater

12-18-2001 10:57:20




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
Iwas in your shoes once and was a native of Colebrook N.H.. I took the family and the kids to Hampton Beach one Christmas and drove up through the York Beach area and a lot of the lobster boats were decorated. They all had a good time and forgot about the sad stuff for a while.
Merry Christmas
Dick G



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don t. - 9n180179

12-18-2001 10:30:44




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
When I was a kid, on xmas eve, we'd go to church and then to look at xmas lights b/4 santa would arrive. I kept the tradition going w/my family. All really liked it. As time went on, it turned out to be a 5 hour "milk run" of lights. My wifes ma passed on 'tween thanksgiving/xmas years ago. My wife actually requested an extra light trip. It seemed to help her.



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Joe

12-18-2001 10:18:33




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 Re: OT Need some suggestions........ in reply to 9N'er, 12-18-2001 10:08:00  
Why not look around and see if you could find a local, lonely Grandpa or Grandma that might need you. When you focus on other people's problems, you tend to forget about your own. Just a thought.



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