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Been sort of thinking about something

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9N'er

01-03-2002 04:09:01




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Disclaimer: The following is a very very very random thought, and it's so far in the back of my head that it is almost so far back that even the dense matter in front of it has not allowed it to fullly surface yet...

Been thinking, the summer ahead will end about 95% of the log skidding, brush piling, hole digging, backfilling, fence building, foundation digging, lifting, grading and smoothing work that I have been doing over the past two to three years on our small piece of land.

We 'got' two tractors, a fully restored 9N "The Whimpster" with everything on it orginal to 1940 including the small generator, new 32" tires centers and rims, steering wheel etc. etc. etc. And the other tractor; a restored 1956 Ford 850 with original parts, Dearborn front loader, add-ons, and 1956 Sherman backhoe restored too.

We need one tractor...not two...when all the work is done.

Primary need will be mowing, and some light snow plowing (if at all...neighbor has a JD Front Loader/backhoe piece of highway machinery...).

In your humble opinions, for mowing a couple acres and general light duty work...what would you'all do? Here are my options as they present themselves to my dense grey matter stuck between my ears:

1. Sell both and get a small Farmall Cub with belly mowerand small plow for pushing light snow.

2. Sell the 850 and backhoe and keep the 9N and purchase a finish mower for the 850

3. Sell the 9N, keep the 850 but sell the backhoe and get a finish mower

4. Sell both and purchase a nice fully restored NAA with front loader and finish mower.

Or, what other decent rigs are out there that would suffice for our minimal needs??? and what would you do?

Just curious to see what this group would have to say...and been thinking that this question is not really unusual to consolidate tractors and locate a one decent machine for the long haul...

9N'er

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Jess 2N (MO)

01-03-2002 20:03:30




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
Just to let ya know, most of us here know the Wimpster better than we know our wives. It's like we were on on every bit of her creation, from the tips of her standard issue single ribs, to her 1 1/8" pto shaft. If YOU can let her go, well, then maybe, and you look long enough, you'll find somebody here to agree with you that she's just a pile of cast iron painted up real pretty and ought to be sold. It's just that when I want to know how something's done right, and the chances of finding something like an aluminum dash, I'll check the archives and you know who's name keeps popping up???? the Wimpster.... hope this doesn't help a whole lot... lol... jess

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Chuck (CA)

01-03-2002 22:16:48




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 Re: Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to Jess 2N (MO), 01-03-2002 20:03:30  
Jess is right, Tom. I think a lot of us have a part of ourselves in the Whimpster; from when you first brought her home and drove her around in the yard in the dark, to how she got her name...Remembering how you struggled to get the hood to fit back together properly, etc. I could go on and on as most of us could. I remember my '57 Chevy from years gone by. I don't think a week goes by where I don't regret selling it and that was over 30 years ago. Believe me, I would mortgage my house if I could find her and repurchase her. I believe you would have those same feelings.
IMHO, sell the 850 and buy a good lawn tractor.

Chuck

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Jess 2N (MO)

01-04-2002 18:25:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to Chuck (CA), 01-03-2002 22:16:48  
... thanks for the flashback Chuck... my first car was a '60 Biscayne with a 235 that I rebuilt in vo-tech, put on a 4'bbl intake (390 cfm holley), split exhaust manifold with true duals and a posi rear end.... man, I used to drink a lot of free beer racing 283's..... couldn't take a 327, but I only raced one of those.... jess



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Jim.UT

01-03-2002 19:15:13




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
I'd keep the tractors. I know from experience that a Cub is not the answer. As someone else said, not much fits and it has no power. Cute for parades, etc...maybe a companion for the Fords. Zane Thang the Whimpster and use it. Five years from now you can have all the fun of restoring it again!



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mike

01-03-2002 11:39:55




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
buy tractors..... never sell them



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Colin in WI

01-03-2002 10:54:42




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
Unless you have a critical space or cashflow problem, I'd recommend keeping both. I have a 2N and a Jubilee (with loader). The 2N is used primarily for pulling wagons and a manure spreader while the Jubilee plows snow and fills the manure spreader. A loader on a Jubilee is not fun. You learn to steer with the brakes real fast. If having a high capacity mower without breaking the bank is your objective, here's another alternative that might be worth considering. Buy an older 2-wheel Gravely tractor with a 40" mower and a sulky to ride on. I have several and they do a great job mowing, are tough as nails, will handle the steep banks and ditches well and offer a broad array of attachment possibilities. Hopefully my wife won't read this but a Gravely with a snowblower attached will move more snow faster than my Jubilee. I just use the Jubilee for the fun I get out of it. There is a group of Gravely fanatics who are as dedicated to their machines as we are to our Fords. Click the link below to see their discussion forum. If you have any interest in pursuing this option, there's a fellow by the name of Mark Bricker in Lisbon who can give you some help to get you started.

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Tyler (MD)

01-03-2002 10:37:39




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
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Only have one thing to say....

I'd never forgive you if you sold "The Wimpster".

:-)
Tyman



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Ultradog MN

01-03-2002 10:06:12




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
Been thinking about your post all morning.
You know, I'll bet most of us bought tractors because we needed something to do a little work with. And a lot of us bought Ns because they were relatively inexpensive.
It was only after we had them for a while that we really discovered the fun and comraderie of owning one.
But the fact remains that if we hadn't needed the tool we probably wouldn't own one.
There's other reasons for having them of course, like I was given mine when my father died last February.
But if I couldn't find a use for it well, I guess I'd probably sell it.
And I believe my father would approve of that decision.
Sure I'd kind of feel like an outcast on this board.
But, a little pragmatism is sometimes more productive than a lot of emotion.
And though I don't know you I think I see your attatchment to your N as being an emotional one especially after you put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into it.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is if ya aint got work for it anymore and/or your looking down the road then selling it would be okay.
Sell them both if need be and buy ONE GOOD machine! One that will be there when you need it.
Doesn't matter if it's a Kubota or a JD or whatever, as long as it's the right tool for when you need it.
And when you get to missing your N, just go out and fire up that modern diesel for a spell.
And then come here and read a few posts about how we got no sparkies or no live power or hydraulics
and be glad you finally made the leap into the 21st century.
Just trying to help
Jerry

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Gaspump

01-03-2002 09:06:57




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
If you truly cherish your tractors they will not bring enough money that could cause you to part with them. Then again if you sold one or both of them, you would not have the one needed for some future tasks!



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Brent

01-03-2002 08:50:14




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
Man, if you can sell the whimpster, you could probably sell a spare kidney or two. I can't imagine you parting with the 9N. Sell the 850 if you have to sell something but where is it written you can only have one tractor? I'd love to have an 850 or better 861 to go with my 48 8N. I still have trees to wrestle that are as big or bigger than Zane's, but there is nothing like an N for getting around in the timber. Brent

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JerryU-Long Post

01-03-2002 06:00:22




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
Here's my "pearl of wisdom':

Unless you want to embark on more mechanical work, I would keep what you have unless you can afford new. I can relate a little. I have 6 acres and bought a '40 9N. Did a lot of work on the 9N including a rebuilt motor, although not restored like the whimpster (a beautiful job!). I used a 5' KK finish mower on my 2 acres of lawn grass with the 9N, a back blade on the 150' drive and a scoop, and bush hog for general work on the remaining 4 acres of field grass. We brought in over 3,000 yards of fill on the 2 acres and used the 9N to follow after the bulldozer finished. It is a workhorse and I would hesitate to part with it.

I also had a Murray 18HP. Well, a couple of things happened. The Murray was dying-it was a nice lawn tractor, but not tough enough for the big yard and the drive for snow plowing (Detroit area). The second is the wife planted trees in the 2 acres and it became a little tough to manuever the 9N around with the finish mower--so I gave the Murray to my brother in law and bought a John Deere (I know, I know) GT235 hydro with a blade and 48" deck. A little pricey, but I figured this would take me to retirement (a few years in the future). I can now cut the 2 acres in less time with the Deere. I can plow most snow with the Deere, but still have the Ford for the heavy snows and the field and utility work. I think this is the best of both worlds (at least for me).

As far as the Cub, I rebuilt the neighbor's 1953. It is a cute tractor, but you would be disappointed with it. It is only about 12 hp and not much fits it.

If'n it were me, I would use the 9N and maybe at sometime, when the majority of the work is finished, buy a fairly good garden tractor with a 48" deck and 48" blade. These hydros really are fast.

Well, just another viewpoint.

JU

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Ed Gooding (VA)

01-03-2002 05:37:20




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
Whew! Tough call here. One thing from your post about all that you've completed, and that you seem not to have considered, is future needs. Will you build an addition onto your house 3 years from now? Find out you need to dig a French drain? Buy another piece of property to adjoin yours? Help out neighbors with their chores?

I watched you go through your restoration via your feedback to this forum, and I'm not sure how you can let the mighty Wimpster go after putting so much time,money, heart & soul into the restoration. Unless you've been really living right, there's no way you'll get all of your money back out of it, especially if you consider the value of your time.

My vote would be to put a finish mower on the 9N, sell the Sherman backhoe, and keep the 850 as your utility tractor.

>> Sell both and purchase a nice fully restored NAA with front loader and finish mower <<

Not sure that I see the wisdom in this. Despite the fact that, like N's, you'll see a lot of NAA's with loaders, it's still not what I would consider a "loader tractor." The 850 is a fair "loader tractor", in my opinion. Much heavier and beefier and more powerful, i.e. capable of much more work than the 9N, NAA or Cub.

If they were mine, and I had to sell both, then I would look to trade up, capability-wise. If you want to stay with the older Fords, an 861 PowerMaster would be a very nice trade-up from what you have. You'd get live PTO, more weight and more power. I think I read somewhere that this one is Palmer Fossum's favorite work tractor around his place.

If you are not opposed to moving out of the gray/red & white arena, then a 3000 or 4000 from the late 60's to early 70's is a good choice, and you should get enough from the sale of the 9N and 850 to find yourself a really nice one and maybe have enough cash left over to buy a decent finish mower.

If I had to sell one, and was not as emotionally attached as you are bound to be to your 9N, I would sell the N (I know, that's blasphemy in this forum) and keep the 850.

Tough decision, Tom. I wish you the best of luck.

Happy New Year..... ..... ..... .Ed
'52 8N475798
'73 3000 C388812

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Mark B (PA)

01-03-2002 05:16:49




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
9N'er - From a strictly practical point of view, The choice is to sell the 9N, buy the finish mower and have plenty of $$ left over for adult beverages. The 850 offers more ponies, live hyd, and the extremely handy hoe/loader combo.

However, I'm not a very practical person and I sense you aren't either.

You've put a bit of yourself into each tractor in the course of restoring them. Sell one, spend the money, and endure an empty spot in your soul all the rest of your days. Been there and done it!

Save up some money, get the finish mower and other implements and enjoy 'em both. A fully restored Jube is not the answer here.

Every now and again when money gets tight and garage space gets short, I eye up my 640 and think similar thoughts....but so far I've resisted the temptation.

One of my Christmas presents this year was a video made from old 8mm movies salvaged from my late grandmother's house. It shows about 30 seconds of my father and grandfather operating my 640 back in the late 50's when it, and they, were young. Sure made a hard decision impossible. :-)

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hermin the goose

01-03-2002 04:31:24




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
weather it is wrong ot right, nothing leaves,the hoes loader, is priceless here. yes i have too many tractors. i keep them up, use only the loader trac, i do have the mower tractor, the fire wood tractor, etc. only my thought right or wrong
ron



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9N'er..correction to option #2

01-03-2002 04:13:34




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 Re: Been sort of thinking about something in reply to 9N'er, 01-03-2002 04:09:01  
...correction...

option 2 would be to put a finish mower on the 9N...(sell the 850...etc.)



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