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Answer to the N in Pearl Harbor

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Pete

01-12-2002 11:07:44




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After the post about the possibility of an N appearing in the early part of the movies, I rented it last night. Th opening takes place in the '20's so an N would certainly be wrong here from a time perspective. The tractor in question appears momentarily behind the Model T truck, and is partially hidden by the bi plane. It appears at first to be a Fordson, certainly not an N. A couple of moments later the boys are standing next to the radiator and we see that it is a Samson tractor. I am not real familiar with these, but it looks to be a knock off of a Fordson, which would make sense because the Fordson WAS THE preeminent tractor during the '20's. As for the tires, a quick glance of the front wheel can be seen under the plane, it appears to be a steel wheel with some type of hard rubber pad around it. This IS historically correct. Pete

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Bert sez BTW

01-12-2002 17:36:26




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 Re: Answer to the N in Pearl Harbor in reply to Pete, 01-12-2002 11:07:44  

I remember reading here that in a John Ford film reenacting Pearl Harbor they showed mototugs (not around until '42.

Is this an anachronism or is it possible there were mototugs around in December, 1941 ?



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D. R. White MN

01-12-2002 16:04:06




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 Re: Answer to the N in Pearl Harbor in reply to Pete, 01-12-2002 11:07:44  
The SAMSON tractor introduced it's model M in 1919. Under General Motors name to compete with the FORDSON but it was to heavy and cost more. Production stoped in 1921. Have more history on it if you need it. Dave.



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David (TX)

01-12-2002 15:24:44




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 Re: Answer to the N in Pearl Harbor in reply to Pete, 01-12-2002 11:07:44  
The tractors in "Pearl Harbor" may have been period correct, but the biplane in the opening farm sequence is not. It's a Boeing "Kaydet", also known as a Stearman PT-17. These were first manufactured around 1936 and were used as primary trainers by both the Army Air Force and Navy in WWII. I have a couple of friends who were working at Pearl Harbor Naval Base during the filming. They said it was very eerie to see P-40's and Zeros flying over Ford Island again.

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were they zeros or modified AT-6s?

01-12-2002 18:43:03




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 Re: Re: Answer to the N in Pearl Harbor in reply to David (TX), 01-12-2002 15:24:44  
In the original movie, "Battle of Midway," I think they used modified AT-6's.



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Brian *N* S. IL

01-12-2002 20:19:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Answer to the N in Pearl Harbor in reply to were they zeros or modified AT-6s? , 01-12-2002 18:43:03  
More than likely, they are modified AT-6's. To my knowledge, there is only 1 Mitsubishi Zero in flyable condition in existance. But I heard that a few years back... there may be more now, but probably not many.



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Jim.UT

01-12-2002 11:40:21




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 Re: Answer to the N in Pearl Harbor in reply to Pete, 01-12-2002 11:07:44  
Thanks, Pete. I saw the clear view of the Samson tractor grille, but I was unclear if it was the same tractor as in the other shot. Thanks for clearing it up.



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