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Sal

01-15-2002 10:41:06




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I read Dave Smith's post below regarding 'buy American'.

I am with that.

But it is getting darn tough to figure out what is American now.

I see that Dodge trucks are now assembled in Mexico?

Is there a source some place that tells us what products are actually made in America?

Personally I would look a little harder for them and pay a bit more $ for them.

-Sal




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Leroy

01-18-2002 05:59:27




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 Re: Buy American... in reply to Sal, 01-15-2002 10:41:06  
The Honda's manufactured here in Ohio advertise that they are 95% domestic parts, at least 6 factories within 60 mile of me makeing parts or the whole car



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Mike

01-18-2002 06:32:28




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 Re: Re: Buy American... in reply to Leroy, 01-18-2002 05:59:27  
Where do the profits go?



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Mike

01-17-2002 21:51:39




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 Re: Buy American... in reply to Sal, 01-15-2002 10:41:06  
I love the resurgence in patriotism, a flag flying on a KIA goin' down the road is a "patriot." Patriots like that will bankrupt this country, as for foriegn cars, the 1st Nissen I ever saw was on the front of a truck the Japs were using on the Battan death march, I can't imagine the patriotic pride by the American owning that.



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Jon in Mass

01-16-2002 09:02:24




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 Re: Buy American... in reply to Sal, 01-15-2002 10:41:06  
Saturns are still made in USA (Spring Hill, TN) altho I won't guaranteee all the parts are :(

Check out this web site for more info on buying American:

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Chrisr Mo

01-16-2002 06:57:25




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 Re: Buy American... in reply to Sal, 01-15-2002 10:41:06  
There is a city in China called usa, and belive it or not they label their products "made in usa" ! It is hard to tell now what is and what isn't American made. But it is worth the effort to support our own. Only my thoughts Chris #280729



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Vic

01-15-2002 21:57:42




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 Re: Buy American... in reply to Sal, 01-15-2002 10:41:06  
It's interesting how many people I know absolutely will not buy a Honda or Toyota built in the U.S. because "it's still a Japanese car."

I guess that means a Camaro, Monte Carlo, Intrepid, Impala or a Crown Victoria (or a lot of Silverado pickups) are "still American" even though they're built in Canada--along with most of MoPar's power trains. PT Cruisers are made in Mexico. And GM owns 48% of Isuzu, which builds a lot of its vehicles in Indiana.

So what does that make Mazdas, Volvos, Aston-Martins, Land Rovers, and Jaguars? Every one of these marques is owned by the blue oval on the front of your 8N, and that company is publicly-held by citizens from probably just about every nation on earth. (Don't believe it? www.ford.com)

Bottom line is that we're about at the point that there isn't a bottom line. Auto manufacturers, with a few exceptions, either are huge multinational corporations, or are owned by huge multinational corporations. And those corporations are owned by stockholders from everywhere on earth.

As a general rule, I'm not real big on unions, but the following link is fascinating, and provides tons of info on the origins of vehicles manufactured in North America.

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bg

01-15-2002 20:33:08




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 Re: Buy American... in reply to Sal, 01-15-2002 10:41:06  
Lots of folks say they'd pay more, but they don't and won't. That's why they shop at Wal-Mart instead of the local Mom & Pop stores. The bottom line is the bottom line. Are Hondas and Toyotas made in Ohio, foreign cars?

Mercedes bought Freightliner. Daimler-Benz bought Dodge. Our new Freightliners have the Dodge Pentagon stamped in the key. They are still cheap trucks. Komatsu or some such Japanese conglomerate owns most of John Deere('nuff said). When Volkswagen buys Peterbilt & Kenworth, we'll know we're in trouble.

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dave#1

01-15-2002 20:07:02




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 Re: Buy American... in reply to Sal, 01-15-2002 10:41:06  
I'm guessing it's some kind of Fed. law that all products sold in the USA must say where it's made,look on the bottom,inside of anything and it says where it was made, I always got a kick out of the toys that came in happy meals from Micky D's, Made in "China"

later,dave



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Jim.UT

01-15-2002 16:53:40




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 Re: Buy American... in reply to Sal, 01-15-2002 10:41:06  
Look at the first digit or letter of the VIN (serial number). That tells you where it was assembled. 1= US
2= Canada
3= Mexico
4= US
5= ? (I forgot)
J= Japan
K= Korea
S= Great Britain
W= Germany
I can't remember the code for Sweden or Brazil. Any vehicle sold in the US has to comply with a standard 17 digit VIN (since 1980). The tenth digit/letter tells you what year it is. A= 1980
B= 1981
C= 1982, etc etc
Skip I O Q and U
Some bench mark dates that are easy to remember:
G =1986 (G looks kinda like a 6)
L =1990 (L is a 90 degree angle)
S =1995 (S looks kind a like a 5)
V =1997 (there's a V in the middle of "seven")
Y =2000 (think "Y"2K)
After 2000 the codes reverts back to digits:
1 =2001
2 =2002, etc etc. We'll have to wait and see what they decide to do after 2010.
Just in case you're curious, the 8th character tells you what engine, but you have to know each manufacturers engine codes to tell anything from that.

Just some useless info I've picked up over the years in dealing with financing and selling cars.

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J52J

01-15-2002 13:03:45




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 Re: Buy American... in reply to Sal, 01-15-2002 10:41:06  
I work for a American Auto Co. ha,ha,ha-- what a laugh.

We stamp out our fenders, hoods, roof,and most every thing else. The sheet metal is sent in from some where else. We assemble the cars. But it's hard to say it's a American Made when you look on the crates the parts come in " marked made in Japan"---" Made in Mexico" "made in Canada" About all we Americans do is ( Assemble the Car ).

Ford owns part of Jaguar, Volvo, and others.
GM owns part of Toyota and others
I'm sure Dodge has there finger in the pie.

Thanks to the TRADE agreements, We don't have hardly anything that is Actually American Made.

My Guitar strings are marked clearly " Made in the USA" But that won't keep America alive.

But let me make myself clear. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Times are kinda hard now but IT WILL GET BETTER.

J52J/Jess

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Mike

01-17-2002 21:40:31




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 Re: Re: Buy American... in reply to J52J, 01-15-2002 13:03:45  
You musta' forgot Mercedes owns Dodge, so much for an American product.



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Rochester (WA)

01-16-2002 12:58:13




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 Re: Re: Buy American... in reply to J52J, 01-15-2002 13:03:45  
Most of us monitor this site because we're nostalgic about the past, and about the products and ideas of the past. Maybe we should start getting a little more nostalgic about a different pathway toward the future, before NAFTA, WTO, Fast-Track Authority and the other 'trade agreements' further erode this country's manufacturing base and kill off our small family farms. Those peddling 'free trade' are selling us down a river of lies. My humble 2 cents

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Scott in AZ

01-15-2002 15:33:25




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 Re: Re: Buy American... in reply to J52J, 01-15-2002 13:03:45  
Some Dodge trucks are assembled in St. Louis, some in Mexico. I'm on a Dodge mail list where the concensus is that the Mexican assembled trucks have better fit and finish. Parts on the Dodges come from everywhere just like the other auto makers.



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