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Paul8n

01-18-2002 19:03:55




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This summer I will be finished using my front end loader. I am planning on selling it. Are there other uses for the front hydraulic pump or should I let it go with the loader. Dang, now I'll have to buy a front bumper and grill.
TY, Paul




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Jim.UT

01-18-2002 19:19:46




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 Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Paul8n, 01-18-2002 19:03:55  
Seems like the loader will be harder to sell without the pump..... .

Your question reminded me of a humerous post by Nolan about a year ago regarding removal of the pump shaft from the crank pulley. I found it in the archives.



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doug overkill

01-18-2002 20:36:38




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 Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Jim.UT, 01-18-2002 19:19:46  
THANK YOU, I have been wanting to replace those bushings since I got the tractor. The slop is driving me nuts. Left hand thread, And I bet it is fairly stubborn.
THANK YOU!!! I should have asked, this board is great



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Jim.UT

01-19-2002 10:54:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to doug overkill, 01-18-2002 20:36:38  
Don't thank me, thank Nolan (wherever he is). I'm just glad I remembered it so you could benefit. (Don't forget to check the archives)



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Jim

01-18-2002 19:19:00




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 Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Paul8n, 01-18-2002 19:03:55  
Hi, Paul:
What kind of loader is it? I'm looking for one to upgrade from the trip bucket presently on my 8N. Can hold out 'til summer, if yours has more advanced hydraulics than the trip bucket.



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oslo in NC

01-18-2002 21:10:25




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 Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Jim, 01-18-2002 19:19:00  
Jim. You said you wanted to get rid of your trip bucket. I am considering getting one for my Jubilee. I don't plan on using it hard. Is there a really bad drawback on having a trip bucket other than not having any control over how the dirt is being dumped? I would like to know your opinion. Thks oslo in NC



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Jim (WA)

01-19-2002 12:23:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to oslo in NC, 01-18-2002 21:10:25  
Hi, Oslo:

The trip bucket on my 8N would be just fine if I didn't have a special situation. I use the bucket like a kind of big wheelbarrow, filled with muck, which I lift up and over the side of a good sized dump trailer with pretty tall sidewalls. It's kind of a small front end loader for me.

My problem comes when I release the trip, and the loaded bucket swings freely down to dump its load. Since it's swinging free, it always wants to overswing a bit, and then it sometimes hits the side of the trailer. And, the heavier its load, the farther the bucket overswings -- so, the bigger the bang when it hits the trailer wall.

So, with the banging of metal against metal, I figure it's just a matter of time until something breaks. If I could reach in a bit further (a foot or so) the bucket wouldn't be able to reach the sides with its backswing.

Figured the hydraulically controlled bucket would allow me to control the tilt and stop the backswing.

If I didn't require the bucket to have to reach over the side of a trailer with tall sides, there'd be no problem at all.

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Greg NE

01-19-2002 19:17:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Jim (WA), 01-19-2002 12:23:47  
Jim, I have a 63 4000 with a New Idea loader with a trip bucket and with the regular dirt bucket it works OK but when you have the large snow bucket on it it hits the stops pretty hard too. My Dad came up with a good fix along time ago when he used it to move snow, it consists of a heavy spring connected to the top of the loader arm, where it bends down over the front axle,then connected to the bucket with a length of chain. When you pull the trip with a full bucket it works normally until the spring and chain gets tight and slows the bucket down. Once you the length right the bucket will just barelly hit the stops to take the shock out of it. My 2 cents worth Greg NE

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Jim (WA)

01-19-2002 20:02:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Greg NE, 01-19-2002 19:17:35  
Thanks, Greg. I can see how this would work in my situation, too. It's great that you guys are so helpful. It's really appreciated!



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Greg NE

01-20-2002 16:45:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Jim (WA), 01-19-2002 20:02:53  
Jim, glad I could help someone else for a change and yes this is a great board. Good luck Greg NE



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George8NFl

01-19-2002 16:40:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Jim (WA), 01-19-2002 12:23:47  
Hi Jim
Maybe you could add a couple chains to stop the bucket from slamming into the trailor, or lower the side you dump into if possible. Just a thought. George8NFL



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Jim (WA)

01-19-2002 20:09:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to George8NFl, 01-19-2002 16:40:19  
Hi, George: Can't lower the side(s) of the trailer because they're fitted and welded and unmovable. But, your suggestion of using limiting chains is similar to Greg's dad's idea -- so, it's two great minds thinking alike, right? :-) I'm going to try the chain(s) idea (with a spring attached, to act as a shock absorber). Can't hurt, and it would be a lot less costly than a hydraulic system. Thanks for the help, George.

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SpringwatchoutJim-GeorgeNFL

01-19-2002 23:37:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Jim (WA), 01-19-2002 20:09:51  
That spring idea from Greg sounds real good. But you might want to add a saftey cable inside the spring. Like the ones on the garage door. Just in case the spring breaks you don't get the bageebees knocked out of ya. Just a suggestion. Be safe



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Jim (WA)

01-20-2002 13:22:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to SpringwatchoutJim-GeorgeNFL, 01-19-2002 23:37:47  
Thanks, George. I wouldn't have thought of it, but your suggestion of the safety feature will now be definitely added to the chain/spring/safety cable design. You guys are great! :-) Thanks again.



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Mark Andrews

08-11-2004 08:37:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front e in reply to Jim (WA), 01-20-2002 13:22:04  
Does anyone have a manual for a trip-bucket loader? I have a Wagner loader (green) and it seems when I try to load the bucket, it trips and won't hold the load. It has no "ram" so what holds the trip arm in place? I'm afraid I may be missing a piece in the setup which would prevent this, but the guy I bought it from is very old and doesn't remember the setup. Thanks in advance, Mark.



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MikeC

01-19-2002 04:35:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to oslo in NC, 01-18-2002 21:10:25  
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I have a trip bucket on my Dearborn. If I used it a lot I would look for an alternative, however I keep it around for light work and it is just fine. You have to remember to lower the bucket so it is close to the ground, release it, then raise it. If not, it "slams" down. It is a little more difficult to dig with it since you can't angle it down to get a better bite. That being said, if you use it like I do for snow removal (if we would ever get any this year) or just light work, I wouldn't hesitate to consider a trip bucket. But, if you have a choice of 2 loaders and the price is the same, one being trip bucket and one being hydraulic, go for the hydraulic.

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Jim (WA)

01-19-2002 20:16:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to MikeC, 01-19-2002 04:35:46  
Hi, Mike: Your setup looks like mine, except my bucket is about half as wide as yours. I'm getting all kinds of help from you guys (and it's really appreciated!). At this point, I'm thinking I'll try using one or two restraining chains (with spring(s) attached to act as shock absorber(s)). If the overswing can be controlled, my problem is solved. Thanks again!



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Dave Smith, It should not be too hard

01-19-2002 06:41:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to MikeC, 01-19-2002 04:35:46  
To add rams, control and lines to give it hydrolic dump.
Dave <*)))><



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Jim (WA)

01-19-2002 12:27:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Dave Smith, It should not be too hard , 01-19-2002 06:41:49  
Hi, Dave:

I've thought of adding the rams, control and lines, too. But, if I can find a a unit that's in good shape, and at a fair price, figured that would be the alternative.



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Jim Tillson

01-19-2002 04:31:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to oslo in NC, 01-18-2002 21:10:25  
I have a LORD step-In loader, I do'nt know if it will fit an N series or not but it should fit a Jubilee, or a 600, it's complete, front pump, valve,wide bucket, and twin cyl. dump, and downpressure, it's not pretty, but it it's in very good shape, I'm in CT.



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Jim (WA)

01-19-2002 12:33:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Taking off front end loader in reply to Jim Tillson, 01-19-2002 04:31:59  
Hi, Jim:

I'm learning that my location is a factor, alright. I'm located at the most northwesterly corner of the country (on the tip of the Olympic Peninsula, out west of Seattle). So, I think the freight cost of shipping a unit this far is going to be an important factor.

I've had several responses now, so maybe somebody closer to my area will make contact. Thanks for the offer ... will get back to you if nothing else works out.

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