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Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what?

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Rick

01-22-2002 13:58:49

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I flattened both sides just enough to where my pipe wrench wouldn't slip off the plug. The wrench didn't slip but the end of the plug Broke Off! The watery fluid came out. Now how am I going to get the rest of the plug out? I don't want to mess up the threads in the housing. Do you think it is possible to chisel out the rest of the plug a little at a time??

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Rick got it out thanks for all the help!

01-23-2002 17:26:11

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

I finally got the drain plug out today. I took a torch and got the plug almost red hot and put my pipe wrench on the outter lip of the plug and it finally broke loose. I am so glad thats over. I am taking the plug to work tomorrow and welding a big nut on the bottom of it. I just wanted to say THANKS to all the guys who replied with ideas and words of encouragement. Thanks, Rick...

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Greg NE

01-23-2002 15:48:25

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

Rick, you have gotten some good responses already but I will warn you that my experiences with easy outs are anything but easy. My luck is they usually break off and then you have tool hardened steel stuck in the hole and can't drill it out. I would take your time with a chisel and work it out slow even if you have to take it out in little pieces. Good luck and take your time Greg NE

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chief 83

01-22-2002 21:20:08

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

Well, you have gotten quite a response. With that said, here's my version of a solution (possible) Drill 2-1/4" holes opposite of each other near the outside of the plug. Use a piece of bar stock 12 to 18" long and drill 2 matching 1/4" holes (same distance apart) as those drilled in the plug. Put 1/4" bolts in the holes of the bar stock allowing them to protrude through the nuts about 1/2" or so. Insert into the plug holes and tap the stock with a hammer carefully. It's worked for me many times on other stuck broken stuff.

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kenb

01-22-2002 18:51:16

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

If you can't get it out, leave it in. Sounds simple right? I know what you are thinking, so, how do I drain and plug the new hole I made when it broke off. Just drill and tap a new NPT hole in the center of the frozen plug and don't waste any more time with it.

If you haven't damaged it too much yet I think that this will work, if it is too far gone to fix like this I would get the chisel( if you don't want to break it up use a dull chisel in a groove that you cut with a portable grinder. Try to drive it loose. If you broke the plug, it is very stuck and you will probably have pieces instead of the plug when you do get it out.

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Jerry/LA

01-22-2002 18:20:55

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

If you have access to a left hand drill bit and reversing drill, you can drill it initial. Then use the e-z out. Also if you can get a small metal sawing blade, hacksaw/jigsaw, into the drilled hole cut through the plug just to the threads in two or three locations then use a chisel to knock the remaining pieces of plug out of the socket. I would say good luck but would hate to jinx you!!!

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PCC-AL

01-22-2002 17:37:30

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

Rick, here is a trick I have used with plugs in a very rusty galvanized water pipe tee. It will only work if you use the easy out or reverse tap. Also, think about drilling holes on the opposite sides of the plug and making a special wrench(welded) to fit the holes. What I did was simply to very, very gently tap the plug edges with a ball peen hammer and keep trying to turn it with the wrench. Take your time. Don't peen the plug so it can't come out. Just loosen the rust. Keep tapping and keep turning. Maybe it will work . Good luck.

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RWK in WI

01-22-2002 17:03:44

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

When I broke the plug on my 600 my dealer suggested CAREFULLY grinding two flat spots on the outter edge of the plug on opposite sides. Put a large pipe wrench on it with a cheater pipe for extension - held wrench up so it couldn't drop down with wood blocking and had now trouble getting plug out but it took two of us on the cheater pipe.
Good luck.

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01-22-2002 16:17:53

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

Be careful using any heat! You may have a fire in the hole! Just be careful. Again I think you have gotten some good replies here on the board. The only problem there is, you are the only one under the tractor tonight. I dont think we all could fit under there! HA Good Luck!
BZ

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heybusdriver

01-22-2002 16:12:55

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

If the plug is no good anyway, why not just drill several holes in it without getting to close to the threads and when the inside is removed you should be able to pry the remaning away from the thread or be able to bend with a cold chisel.
Stan

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Don, Luling LA

01-22-2002 16:01:05

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

I agree that you might be able to use an easy out but make sure you use the largest one you can possibly drill the plug out to. Something I have seen work in the past on stuck threads and fittings is to put some heat on the plug you are looking to remove, get it real hot and concentrate the heat just on the plug. Then hit it with some cool water and cool it down. Then try to remove it, you can still use the easy out method.
It seem like backwards logic, since most of the time you heat the material on the outside of the threads such as a nut and so forth so it expands. But, I have seen this method work when the standard heating methods failed. It's my guess that heating the plug or bolt or, whatever is the male fitting, expands it into the female part of the threads and therefore breaks it loose. Then when you cool it down and it goes to normal size again and it comes right out at least lets hope so. Boy, this could sound dirty if written on another type of message board.

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Rick

01-22-2002 15:32:30

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

Hey guys,
The only problem I can see with using a easy out is that the plug is so brittle I think it would just chip off. I am thinking about taking a grinder and cutting the plug into 1/4's. Then I think I might be able to chip the old plug out. I am just worried about screwing up the threads. The plug in the aluminum hydraulic pan came right out. But the plug in the cast pan is a pain. I tried tapping the plug with a cold chisel to turn it. No luck, it just chips off.

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Danny in CO

01-22-2002 15:14:32

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

I have been able to remove several plugs in the past (not on an N) using a chisel and hammer. Just take your time and work square to the plug and going counter clockwise.

Is the hole in the plug big enough that you could bust/cut through the plug into the hole with a chisel?

Danny

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01-22-2002 14:49:58

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

Man Rick! I have been watching your posts! And I cant believe your luck! Sounds like most of my days. I do think you will have your best luck with the easy out. I fired up my truck one day, and POW! I looked under the hood, and a spark plug had blown out of its threads! The threads and the tip of the spark plug was still in. But the porcelain was gone. After 6 hours of soaking it in oil, and a easy out. It finally came out. Good Luck! And keep us posted!
BZ

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Rick

01-22-2002 15:39:56

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Re: Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to BZ, 01-22-2002 14:49:58

BZ, Your right. I do have the worst luck in the world when it comes to a easy job going BAD.
Yesterday my wife came out into the garage and said aren't you done draining the fluid yet? I could have screamed. But I didn't. I just explained to her what happened and she said "everytime you do something it goes wrong." I have always been a old IH man. I have had them all, M,H,A,B,superC. But I thought this little 8N with a 3 point hitch would be really handy. I don't have any regrets about buying the 8N. Just a little bad luck with the transmission plug.

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Willard,,,easy out

01-22-2002 14:33:41

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Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Rick , 01-22-2002 13:58:49

Drill as large of a hole as you can in the plugg without hitting the threds and get a easy out that size, and presto, out it comes. A chisle would be fine to use also, like previous post, just chisel at a about a 45deg angle and counter clockwise. Cheers and good luck my friend

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ED-Illinois

01-22-2002 14:40:02

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Re: Re: Need Help! More trouble with the Transmission Drain Plug. The end broke off! Now what? in reply to Willard,,,easy out, 01-22-2002 14:33:41

Not sure if it is the same thing as an easy-out, but I seem to recal something called a "reverse tap".

It is a tappered drill bit looking thing with spiral grooves in it. The spiral grooves are reverse thread to standard thread. The tap is inserted snuggly into the item you wish to remove, and then turned counter clock wise. The grooves snug it further into the stuck item and with any luck, the stuck item will turn itself out.

Good luck

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