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9N Won't Start #$%^&*****

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PF

09-21-1998 18:23:25




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I'm getting desperate here. Have new points,plugs,wires,coil,condensor,distributor cap, carb kit,

Getting spark to the plugs. Will pop when I spray starter fluid but refuses to start. I've cleaned the carb three times. Should I try pushing a wire down those d@#%^ little holes?? Seams like theres something preventing it from getting gas. Any advice will be appreciated.




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Milkman

09-24-1998 12:13:28




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 Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to PF, 09-21-1998 18:23:25  
Its been a couple days, got it started yet?



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PF

09-24-1998 18:48:17




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 Re: Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to Milkman, 09-24-1998 12:13:28  
No start yet. Just took off the manifold and the gasket looks ok. Plugs seem to be wet but not soaked. I'm about ready to call a professional. Gettinng very frustrated



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Milkman

09-24-1998 21:17:00




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 Re: Re: Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to PF, 09-24-1998 18:48:17  

PF: I can imiagne what you are going through. I wonder if it could possibly be a timing problem? Not your standard problem but Maybe something like a spun timing gear, or that little plate on the end of distribitor shaft? Lets see if I can remember how to do this. I think You bring # 1 piston to top dead center on the intake stroke and check the rotor that its pointing to #1 terminal on dist. cap. Some times unsual things go wrong and you just have to try and think it through. Onetime I rebuilt a Harley Davidson and knew i did a fine job but the sucker wouldn't run when I tried to start it. After several hours I finally discovered I had put in the dist 180 degrees off. Put in in right and ran great foreevermore. Its beginning to sound to me like your problem is more timming than fuel. Also be aware the tmming gear is aluminum, pretty soft. Good luck keep us posted Michael

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Dell (WA)

09-25-1998 12:42:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to Milkman, 09-24-1998 21:17:00  
PF..... .Just a posibility....Ford flathead firing order is different than most other 4 cylinders. You might double check. Shud be 1,2,4,3. Ether may fire on some residule vapors inside anyone of your cylinders if things were just right, but the rest of everything will be so out of time/alignment that is all you will get is a "pop". Let us know how you get it started..... Dell



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Jim WI

09-25-1998 10:45:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to Milkman, 09-24-1998 21:17:00  
I once changed manifolds on a chevy and wired the plugs to the distributor in the reverse of the normal firing order.

Took a while to catch that one.



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Mike D

05-26-2000 02:07:33




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 Re: Restoration Pictures in reply to Steven Bastardi, 05-25-2000 22:09:30  
WOW! Great job & super pix. Thanks from all us restoration wannabees/soontabees.



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Fletch_NC

05-25-2000 04:56:11




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 ?? for Nolan re: Swedish tracks in reply to Steven Bastardi, 05-25-2000 22:09:30  



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Claus

05-25-2000 04:46:44




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 Re: 9-n coil test in reply to Bob, 05-24-2000 20:22:51  
160 deg is just fine. These engines are noted for cool running. I believe that the thermostats are also set for this temperature. When the engine stops running when hot, check for spark. The coils are problamatic when hot. The best way to check the coil, is to substitute with known good one. Good to have a spare anyway.
happy motoring
Claus



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PF

09-23-1998 06:16:46




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 Re: Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to Ken D, 09-22-1998 18:00:24  
Well I'm cleaning the carb one last time after getting it to pop a few times. Seems it wanted to run if I accelerated but then fizzled out. I'm gonna check the manifold gasket next. Thanks for all your advice!!!



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John

05-24-2000 22:16:50




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 Re: Re: I hate this in reply to Jim Krapf, 05-24-2000 18:17:56  
Greetings
At first I didn't like the new format, but I adapted. I can live with either format, the important thing is the information and the viewpoints. John :>) ps: I DO miss the smiley face part.



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PF

09-22-1998 10:14:26




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 Re: Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to Terry Shugart, 09-22-1998 10:06:38  
Has a filter and the elbow screen is clean.

Thanks



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RonW

09-22-1998 09:00:27




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 Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to PF, 09-21-1998 18:23:25  
PF, Although I own an NAA instead of a 9N, there are some steps I've gone through in the past when I had a similar problem.

Check to see if the plugs are wet with gas after cranking for a while. If they are wet, there may be a timing or electrical problem.

If the plugs are dry, it's obvious the gas isn't getting where it's supposed to. Before rebuilding the carb, start from the beginning by checking to make sure you have gas flowing from the tank. Make sure the fuel valve is turned off. Disconnect the gas line from the carb and the fuel bowel. Pull off and clean the fuel bowel. With a small cup underneath the bowel/valve assembly, open the valve to make sure gas is getting out of the tank. If not, there may be an accumulation of sediment in the tank which needs to be cleaned.

Second thing to do is use compressed air to blow out the fuel line to clear anything which may have plugged it up. Reassemble the fuel bowel, connect the fuel line to the assembly and turn on the valve. You should get good flow coming out of the other end (still diconnected from the carb).

The last thing I'd check is the small screen in fuel line elbow into the carb. You'll need to unscrew the elbow from the carb and check to make sure the screen isn't gummed up.

If all these things check out, then I'd start to look at the carb and a possible rebuild.

Good luck,
RonW

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TimK

09-22-1998 06:42:46




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 Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to PF, 09-21-1998 18:23:25  
All of the comments you've gotten so far on your @#&^*$ problem are good, sometimes one from a novice like me might also help. I had a similar
problem which drove me nuts until I rebuilt the carb a second time with a kit that had ALL of the new jets needed. I found out that I had a clogged jet, the real little one that you can't see and is down deep in the carb. I soaked the carb all night in laquer thinner and blew it out with air. After I rebuilt the carb, I also replaced the intake manifold gaskets and checked the intake for cracks (in fact I discovered I had to buy a new one). I then jump started it with a 12V the first time in order to get compression quickly on all cylinders. Once started it belched and blew smoke for awhile, but was O.K. after that.

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Geoff in MN

05-24-2000 19:26:29




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 Camshaft End Play in reply to PF, 09-21-1998 18:23:25  



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Vic

05-24-2000 19:31:43




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 Re: new/old format in reply to steve, 05-24-2000 14:40:03  
My vote is to keep the old format!

It's back, and so am I.



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Bill OH

09-22-1998 04:29:33




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 Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to PF, 09-21-1998 18:23:25  
Just because your plugs are new don't assume they are firing. I had TWO(!) bad ones for my 9N. In addition to what you did I replaced the key switch and the resistor and put on a rebuilt carb, I never had good luck with rebuilding my own. Has been purring along for 5 years now, starts like a dream on 6 volts. Good luck.



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J. H. TWEED

05-24-2000 18:09:14




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 A NOVICE TO 8N'S in reply to PF, 09-21-1998 18:23:25  



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Rick in Kansas

05-24-2000 18:05:44




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 Re: 9N Serial Number in reply to Jim Hasselbeck, 04-19-2000 18:31:24  
My 9N also has a flat spot on the block where the s/n is supposed to be. No visible number anywhere else. This is interesting?



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Jim.UT

05-24-2000 18:01:40




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 I hate this in reply to Jim Hasselbeck, 04-19-2000 18:31:24  



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Jim.UT

05-24-2000 18:38:22




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 $85.00??!! Some people will pay anything in reply to Jim Hasselbeck, 04-19-2000 18:31:24  



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PF

09-22-1998 05:47:26




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 Re: Re: Re: 9N Won't Start #$%^&***** in reply to Richard, 09-21-1998 21:53:08  
I'm sure the float is working ok. The carb is full of gas when I take it off to clean it.

Thanks



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