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9N Sheetmetal Designer Dead at 94

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OUTim

12-04-2002 05:25:38




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In Tuesday's NYTimes there was an obituary for Eugene T. Gregorie, age 94 of St. Augustine, Florida. He is mentioned by his last name on page 126 of Leffingwell's 1998 "Ford Tractors" as making the sketches for the styling of the 9N in March of 1939. The 9N is in very good company because Mr. Gregorie also designed the Lincoln Continental that year. Surely, this man must be the last of the people that had direct responsibility for the 9N. He was only about 30 years old at the time. Note to Ed Gooding: If you want a copy of the obit for your archives, send me a FAX number by e-mail and I will FAX it to you.

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ZANE

12-04-2002 05:47:54




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 Re: 9N Sheetmetal Designer Dead at 94 in reply to OUTim, 12-04-2002 05:25:38  
Henry Ford had the genius to surround himself with men of genius. Gregorie, Ferguson and many others. These men somehow had the intuition to sculpt and mold one of the most innovative machines ever in the history of mankind. I think they had more to do with the advancement of mankind than the trip to the moon or many other inventions and innovations. They came along when the population of the world would not have been able to survive without the invention of a machine that one man could use to produc more food than he and his family could use. The 9N Ford tractor revolutionized the farming industry and nearly every tractor made today still uses these innovations that these men had the intelligence to come up with out of the blue. I am amazed every time I think of it! How did they do it???? Putting a man on the moon was great Hollywood ballyhoo but the manufacturing of the 9N Ford stands right up there with the invention of the Wheel

My hat is off to Mr.Gregorie! Not many men can boast of the accomplishments that men like he have done.

Zane

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Yet....Jeff Hoo

12-04-2002 07:08:40




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 Re: Re: 9N Sheetmetal Designer Dead at 94 in reply to ZANE, 12-04-2002 05:47:54  
The engineers/designers made this tractor possible, but the lawyers opened the doors for it to happen. All it took was some cash.

This could be heresy, but here goes!!!

Hank was a tinkerer in the greatest American sense. A farm boy playing with steam engines in his back yard.

But this tractor venture was the result of Henry's financial success, which needed a few pesky patent and legal obstacles cleared first. The Association of Licensed Automobile Manufacturers sued Ford to keep him out of the business and to maintain their "monopoly" over gas driven cars based on their 1895 patent.

Without winning that case, there would be no mass produced Model T. And without that success, Ford wouldn't have had the cash to go to better, if not bigger things.

And then there's the Dodge Brothers stockholders lawsuit after that which prompted Henry to buy out all those dang pesky shareholders. If it hadn't been for the buyback, Henry might've lost complete control of the company to people without vision. And they wouldn't have let him innovate the 9N tractor.

And we know about the 8N licensing "kitchen table" deal with Ferguson that fell apart after his death.


What strikes me about Ford is not his ability to surround himself with sheetmetal and hydraulic whizzes, but his luck in getting down and dirty with the lawyers and retaining control of his company's direction. There were a bunch of people with bright engineering designs and concepts, but Gregorie's fenders would be nowhere without the lawyers Hank used to defend his long term goals for his corporation.

The problem today is not the lack of good ideas from smart guys, or even too many lawyers and lawsuits. The problem, as in Hank's day, is not enough private capital pursuing private ambition.

/begin flaming now/

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Chuck A.

12-04-2002 18:48:12




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 Re: Re: Re: 9N Sheetmetal Designer Dead at 94 in reply to Yet....Jeff Hoo, 12-04-2002 07:08:40  
That was the Seldon patent which Ford won in 1911. As for the Dodges, they entered into a agrement with Henry to provide parts in turn for shares of the company. They provided the parts and Ford decided NOT to pay dividends to his share holders. Now I would not call them pesky share holders when they held up there end of the bargin.

One great read is the book "Henry's Lieutenants" by Ford R. Bryan, it is a "Great lakes publication". Or the book "The Last Billionare" Both are packed with facts about Henry. The fact is if it had not been for men like C. Harold Wills, P.E.Martin,the Dodges and many others old Henry would have failed the last time also. Many think Sorenson was the great production man and he was one of the best but it was Bill Knudsen who was the production man for Ford. When Ford let him go to Chevrolet, that was Fords loss to them in the automotive business.

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Paul R.

12-04-2002 13:30:41




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 Re: Re: Re: 9N Sheetmetal Designer Dead at 94 in reply to Yet....Jeff Hoo, 12-04-2002 07:08:40  
Very interesting argument. One could also argue that the lack of private capital due to excessive debt all through our economy is retarding developments such as those ol' Henry made.

You could make a point that "Big Business" is now so big that it completely dominates any attempts that a smaller company might make to bring out a competing product. New ideas are bought out and become the property of the original corperation they might have competed against. If Henry's family were to start a new company called "Ford", using their own legal name, they would be shut down fast by the original company that Henry started. He had to call his first tractor "Fordson", just because someone else beat him to the use of his own name for a tractor product.

Nothing against lawyers, but like everything else, they can be used in the wrong way. Really liked your comments Jeff!

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Bob /Ont.

12-04-2002 05:54:46




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 Re: Re: 9N Sheetmetal Designer Dead at 94 in reply to ZANE, 12-04-2002 05:47:54  
Yes Zane, the lunar landing is much better to watch with a full stomach, too few realize this though.
Later Bob



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