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Only turns over 3 seconds, even with 125 Amp boost

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Peter

12-08-2002 18:59:38




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Before I take my 6 volt battery to town, to see about a load test, does this make sense: If I leave a charger on it, the battery seems to take a charge, but seems to be dead after turning the engine over 3 or 4 times. If after I charge the battery fully (so says the charger, and hook the negative clip directly to the starter, set the charger at 12 volts, and use the 125 amp charger boost, it still only turns over for maybe 4 seconds. Then the battery needs a charge again. Oil is 10-40 and air temp is in the 20s. I'd have thought it would wiz to a start that way. I've done it before with good results. Usually it starts just fine even in single digit temperatures, even without help from the booster/charger.

1. Is there a home method to load test a battery with a voltmeter?

2. How about if the battery is dead totally, and I try to measure resistance between the poles? Would it be different (higher I suppose) on a good battery than a bad one?

3. What else could be wrong which would explain this. I checked my points and plugs. The points are not welded together, and I don't see any indication of hydrostatic lock.

I had not used my tractor for several months, but need it now for snow removal.

If I have to buy a battery, I am open to brand recommendations. The one I now have is a New Holland, and it is 4 or 5 years old.

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kevin

12-08-2002 20:03:29




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 Re: only turns over 3 seconds, even with 125 Amp boost in reply to Peter, 12-08-2002 18:59:38  
ASSUMING that you have low resistance connex in all of the right places:

1. (most likely) Your battery probably is bad. You don't need a voltmeter to tell you, the starter is your indicator. Even the "125 A" booster normally has a hard time actually delivering that current through the poor connection of the clamps in real-life.

2. (less likely) You MIGHT have shorted windings in the starter which will very dramatically increase the starting current. In a marginal system, you get away with it during warm weather. During cold weather, everything is working against you. (less voltage, lower fuel vaporization, more friction, and less torque if it is shorted).

You cannot necessarily discern which is which by one measurement as a battery voltage test will only tell you that it decreses during cranking. This might be because the battery resistance is too high, or the starting circuit too low. Check all of the cells with a hydrometer as Dell suggested. Ideally at 80 deg. and a few hours after you believe it is fully charged. SG should be about 1.260 and not vary more than maybe .02

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kevin

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Dell (WA)

12-08-2002 19:24:07




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 Re: only turns over 3 seconds, even with 125 Amp boost in reply to Peter, 12-08-2002 18:59:38  
Peter..... ..starting your engine is a load test. You just need to put your voltmeter across the battery terminals before you start crankin' and watch what happens to the battery volts while crankin. If'n battery volts drop lower than 5 volts, you've got major battery problems.

And NO, you can't measure internal battery resistance with a volt/ohm meter. Best you can do is use a specific gravity device called a hydrometer, looks like a big turkey baster with a floating thermometer inside.

Little secret, real tractor batterys are built stouter inside than common automobile batterys. You're lucky to get 3 yrs bouncing across the field. I'd recommend you find a real tractor battery. Ford/New Holland or (byte my tongue) John Deere.

When my dual battery'd 1995 Dodge Cummings Diesel pick-up with no maintenance Chrysler batterys needed replacement because the acidwater had disappeared, I opted for 12 volt John Deere tractor batterys. 1/2 price of new Dodge stealer batterys, 2/3 the price of Die-Hards. 1/3 the price of Optima gel-cells. So far (3 yrs) I'm good..... ...Dell

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