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What is a Restored tractor

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Robert Tichy

12-10-2002 05:34:22




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Just what does restored mean? What does "Overhauled" mean and just what does "rebuilt" mean? Oh, and what id "Remanufactured" Is that restored? rebuilt, refurbished or overhauled? And what does "original replacement" mean? I am so very much confused that when I buy a tractor I get what I hope I am buying I think. Robert Tichy




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don't use the word restored if you ....

12-10-2002 13:41:13




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 Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to Robert Tichy , 12-10-2002 05:34:22  
put an alternator on it! according to a previous post or the language police will show up.
Mike (owner of a restored,I mean rebuilt,or was that remanufactured,referbished 41 9n painted all gray but basterdized with a reliable 12 volt conversion,for the right reasons! Amen!!



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Mike

12-10-2002 20:33:07




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 Re: Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to don't use the word restored if you ...., 12-10-2002 13:41:13  
I don't see anything more "reliable" about a 12 volt system than a 6 volt. If you remember the 6 volt system was used for over 50 years so its reliablity isn't questioned. What's unreliable today is the knowledge and familiarity with the 6 volt system by some people, the system is not made any more unreliable because you don't understand how to work with it.

Mike



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swavo

12-11-2002 14:05:09




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 Re: Re: Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to Mike, 12-10-2002 20:33:07  
HI Mike, I never saild that a twelve volt conversion made a tractor more reliable, and I do know how it works.However twelve volt lights are much brighter for night manuvers on the old 9n,I can also run other twelve volt accessories like a sprayer pump and lets not forget the little vacuum cleaner I plug into my cigarette lighter to keep my re-whatever "n" pristine.
lol,Mike



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swavo

12-10-2002 13:42:12




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 Re: Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to don't use the word restored if you ...., 12-10-2002 13:41:13  
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Jim Cox

12-10-2002 09:42:19




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 Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to Robert Tichy , 12-10-2002 05:34:22  
I'm in agreement with MikeC as far as Remanufactured goes. Have changed hundreds of perfectly good bushings, bearings, etc. not because they weren't any good, but because they weren't NEW. Back when I was an Engineer for Case/IH/New Holland electrical Reman, we really sweated the details, so that the customer got as much new as possible, and that all the parts did more than just fit, they had to be RIGHT. Cheap? No, but it is still a get what you pay for world, and I don't like changing that $39.00 auto parts store alternator or starter for the third time either. BTW, my 9N had a 30 year old coat of red enamel over the original gray, but did not have the aerosol overhaul. More than anything else, I didn't buy either of the freshly touched up tractors I was looking at, I preferred the honest widow that just plain said "there it is". Best of luck to you. Jim Cox
A starter/alternator/generator guy

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Gaspump

12-10-2002 05:59:28




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 Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to Robert Tichy , 12-10-2002 05:34:22  
Do not get confused! That is what all these term tend to be intended for. Re-Manufactured; Impossible nothing could duplicate a new one, N tractors are over 50 years old, may indicate a great restoration. Restored; no official sanctioning body here, just in the eyes of the beholder, owner, seller? Rebuilt, good question, do some real detective work here, this is related to a restored claim and always ask by whom and check the receipts. Refurbished sounds like a rattle can paint job to me, ask! Look, read up on tractors and carefully comparing price and available units is the best way, if you are not a good mechanic take a trustworthy mechanical friend along with you when looking at tractors. Lastly do some testing, drive, hydraulics operational check even a compression check would be in order. Terminology is only what the owner thinks or wishes it is.

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gaspump

12-10-2002 10:07:44




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 Re: Re: Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to MikeC, 12-10-2002 08:35:45  
Not sure about them but it is not likely. If we are talking Ford Tractors here of the vintage of the 9,2,8N or even into the Ford Tractors of the 1970's the answer is a big loud no!. Ford built these Tractors with the iron ores of MI and MN delivered to the mill on Fords own ships, the limestone of MI and OH, using apalacchian Coal and Coke were melded into steel from Fords own steel mill. Castings were poured and machined in the Ford plant. Parts were forged and stamped on site. Parts manufactured in many Ford and other Plants were shipped to the assembly line and assembled on the production line. Manufacturing is an extremely large undertaking and requires huge resources. Re-manufacturing would take less resources but could not be accomplished in a small shop, re-building could. Lastly the term "re-manufacturing" of a Ford product could not be undertaken without license of Ford Motor Co, not impossible but highly unlikely.

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MikeC

12-10-2002 10:46:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to gaspump, 12-10-2002 10:07:44  
My point made. Multiple interpretations of the same word.



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concur with Vern==bj/8n/mt

12-10-2002 05:55:34




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 Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to Robert Tichy , 12-10-2002 05:34:22  
Too many people--especially sellers--use the term "restored" to mean "I changed the oil, hit it with a couple of rattle cans, put a new battery in it, and it looks pretty good to me."

If you look at the time and effort that some guys put into real restorations IMHO loose use of the term is an insult to their endeavors.

One of my 8n's is painted with Carquest implement enamel bought on sale. It looks good, runs good, but it ain't restored.

Don't even get me going on all of the "rebuilt" engines out there in rust hulks or the rigs that "ran when parked"

YOur mileage may vary

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MikeC

12-10-2002 05:47:50




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 Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to Robert Tichy , 12-10-2002 05:34:22  
Different things have different meanings for everyone. However, I would have to say that:

1.Remanufactured: Completely reworked to original factory specs leaving nothing unchecked. All seals, bearings, etc. are replaced even if they don't need it.

2.Restored: Returned to original appearance and operation.

3.Overhauled: All needed parts are replaced and returned to factory specs.

Remember-this is just my opinion. I have heard many stories about tractors that have an "overhauled" engine and it turns out that the only thing done was rings and sleeves. So it is kind of "buyer beware".

I'm assuming that you are looking for a tractor? The best thing to do is to educate yourself before you begin shopping or take a trusted friend knowlegeable in N's.

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Les, TN

12-10-2002 07:20:17




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 Re: Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to MikeC, 12-10-2002 05:47:50  
Overhauled, in my case (the 2N I just bought) appears to have been crank bearings. Musta just fergot ta do the rings and sleeves.

And for a "recently overhauled" engine, there was 1/2" of crud in bottom of the oilpan. I guess they just dropped it and bolted it right back up as is.

Yep, buyer beware! Do your homework.



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REMMo

12-10-2002 05:47:02




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 Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to Robert Tichy , 12-10-2002 05:34:22  
Buyer beware. All those terms are defined differently by different people. There is no guideline that can assure you what any tractor is like because of the term the seller desides to label it with. You just have to know what you are looking for and know what to ask to determine what you are looking is and hope the seller is giving you the straight info on it. There are some generally accepted definitions to those terms but don't count on them being used accurately in describing the condition of anything for sale. Everyone sees things differently. Some misrepresentions are an honest misunderstanding or lack of knowledge of how things are and others are downright dishonest. Buyer beware. REMMo

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Vern-MI

12-10-2002 05:45:37




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 Re: What is a Restored tractor in reply to Robert Tichy , 12-10-2002 05:34:22  
RESTORED to the same condition as it was when it left the factory. All of the parts including nuts, bolts, wiring, generator, starter, distributor, magneto, seat, radiator, fenders, wheels tire type, script and paint exactly the same without modifcation. Anthing other than this is a REBUILD for service or pleasure.



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