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4-Ring Pistons

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Alex Dula

06-05-2000 06:07:12




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I just got my 8N back from the machine shop and the mechanic ordered 4-ring pistons. I read past posts about 4-rings not being very good. I can not take them back. Should I not use the bottom ring which is a double bevel ring or not? Also the 2nd grove has a bevel back compr3ession ring with a bevel on the inside of the grove, does the bevel go up or down? One more question the 3 piece expander oil ring it seems hard to get on, any suggestions or order to putting them on?
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Alex

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ZANE

06-05-2000 19:14:16




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 Re: 4-Ring Pistons in reply to Alex Dula, 06-05-2000 06:07:12  
If it has the 4 ring piston then use all 4 rings.

The third ring should be installed by putting the middle part on first and take care that the ends not be over any void in the ring gland of the piston. The small thin flat rings should be installed by pushing the one end of the ring into the groove on top of the middle part and then just push it down all the way around till all the ring is in the slot abouv center part. Then put the last ring on the bottom of the center part by the same process of starting one end and then rolling it all the way around the piston and pushing it down till all of it is in the lower slot. Never let any two ends of the rings intersect at the same location. If possible the three ends should be approximately a third of the way around from the other ones.
Make sure the center ring does not overlap. Most of these type rings have a colored end so that it can be seen easily to assure that it is not overlapped. If you try to put the piston in with the ends of the 3 piece ring overlaped it will destroy the piston and the cylinder bore.

I have this theory that the 4 ring piston causes more wear in the cylinder simply because of more stuff riding up and down but I certainly wouldn't try to out engeener the engeeners who designed the 4 ring piston. I would just put it together and not worry. They did nicely for about 30 years till they came out with the 3 ring piston.

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Wills

06-07-2000 17:00:12




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 Re: Re: 4-Ring Pistons in reply to Nolan, 06-05-2000 10:40:13  
I'm getting my 8N tractor overhauled & quizzed the shop owner about 4 vs. 3 ring pistons. He's been in the business many years & said he thinks 4 ring is the way to go. He says causes less wear & tear on cylinders since the 4 rings help guide the pistons better and that it even adds about 2 horsepower.



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Jim

06-05-2000 17:12:38




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 Re: Re: 4-Ring Pistons in reply to Nolan, 06-05-2000 10:40:13  
The N engine is one half of a 100hp flathead v8. These engines used 4 ring pistons from 42 to 53. The 3 ring piston (aftermarket) was used for race engines. Earlier v8s, 85 and 90 hp used a steel three ring piston in the 3 1/16 bore.



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TimK

06-05-2000 14:46:41




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 Re: Re: 4-Ring Pistons in reply to Nolan, 06-05-2000 10:40:13  
I agree, bevel usually goes up. Take a look also for a punch mark (dot) on the ring. That dot should also face up, usually.



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