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Photofarmer

06-13-2000 14:52:18




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I have read in the forum that the 8N 2nd gear is the weak gear and bad for brush hogging (even though all I ever cut is grass with it). Should I use the sherman underdrive in 3rd or another standard gear for hogging and box blading? Is the Sherman tough enough?




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The8Nman

06-13-2000 22:49:43




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 Re: sherman transmission use in reply to Photofarmer, 06-13-2000 14:52:18  
I'm not so sure I agree that second gear is a weak link. Second gear is used almost exclusively by folks plowing and brush hogging and generally working their 8N's. It's only natural that it would be the one to break the most. If folks used third gear for plowing, brush hogging, etc then you would see the majority of transmission failures from a broken third gear. Sound reasonable?



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Nolan

06-14-2000 04:04:00




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 Re: Re: sherman transmission use in reply to The8Nman, 06-13-2000 22:49:43  
If you look inside the transmission, you'll see that second gear has about half the thickness of all the other gears inside the transmission. That's the source of its weakness. Why Ford did that, I do not know. There were other, better, sollutions then making that gear so thin and weak.



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Nolan

06-13-2000 16:15:46




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 Re: sherman transmission use in reply to Photofarmer, 06-13-2000 14:52:18  
I don't have any special knowledge of Sherman transmission strengths. All I can say on the subject of them is that they were intentionally designed for hard use, and I've not heard complaints about them failing.

The second gear weakness is purely in the drivetrain. Bushhoging comes off the input shaft, so it doesn't matter what gear your in as far as the pto shaft and its loading is concerned. Stalling a bush hog will not damage second gear, though other components will not care for it.

Using a Sherman in say the low range changes the input shaft rpm, so you have to spin the engine up to full speed to get the proper pto speed to spin the hog correctly. Reving the engine up like this puts you at the exact same speeds again that you were at in direct drive, using lower engine rpms. So you don't get away from second gear speeds. That's the "secret" of the sherman, you rev the engine up higher for the same ground speeds or pto speeds, getting more power from the engine as a result.

Now blading is a different matter. That's one that can put a hurting on the drive train, and if you're in second gear, that's the one that likes to fail. Using the Sherman in low range, still using second gear, simply puts more power through that weak gear, increasing the chances of breaking it.

Basically, for grunt work like plowing or blading and such, try to use first gear or third if you can. Those gears can better handle the power and load.

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dave#1

06-14-2000 04:46:47




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 Re: Re: sherman transmission use in reply to Nolan, 06-13-2000 16:15:46  
I would agree that second gear is the weak link, but not when "Plowing" or Bladeing" but when "Bushhogging" !! Second gear seems to fail because of shock or impact from mowing (Stumps,big rocks,ect) DO NOT BUSH HOG IN SECOND GEAR !!

later,dave



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dave#1

06-13-2000 18:00:37




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 Re: Re: sherman transmission use in reply to Nolan, 06-13-2000 16:15:46  
>"The second gear weakness is purely in the drivetrain. Bushhoging comes off the input shaft, so it doesn't matter what gear your in as far as the pto shaft and its loading is concerned. Stalling a bush hog will not damage second gear, though other components will not care for it"<

I remember Zane clearly saying that most of the second gear failures that he had to repair were due to mowing in second gear, but, since I've "Never" worked on a N trans. I could'nt and would'nt say.

later,dave

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