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Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's

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Ron from IL

07-08-2000 18:22:39




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Did anybody catch the new N-Newsletter? A guy modified a Pertronics electronic ignition module to fit a 9N! It seemed to take a little effort to make it work, but, hey, if a shade-tree mechanic can do it, why can't Pertronics come out with a unit ready to install? I just don't get it! It seems that with a few modifications (larger magnetic coil, different base, etc.) their existing components could work! Let's get on them to get a unit developed for those of us with front-mounted units! Whaddaya say, guys?

Ron

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WebTROLL

11-13-2000 13:28:42




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 Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Ron from IL, 07-08-2000 18:22:39  
Squeeky wheel gets the grease...

May I suggest that we each call Pertronix occasionally (phone number 1-800-827-3758) and inquire about a kit for the 9N? You never know, they may decide to build one if we're persistent.



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Joel-So Cal '44

07-10-2000 06:50:17




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 Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Ron from IL, 07-08-2000 18:22:39  
I personally went to Pertronix in Riverside, CA and was told that a company called True Parts (I think) is coming up with a cam plate to pop into the existing dist. using Pertronix hardware. Call Pertronix and inquire. Yes, an existing plate requires a significant amount of mods. Don't bother unless you have a machine shop and a lot of mech. experience.
N's away!
Joel



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Halbert

07-09-2000 10:01:50




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 Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Ron from IL, 07-08-2000 18:22:39  
What about an electronic ignition that would use the original points for switching the electronics? I believe I saw something like this several years ago. These engines run so slow that point bounce is not a problem, and with electronic switching the current thru the points would be minimal and they would last a long time and you could still achieve the hot spark.



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JerryU

07-09-2000 12:23:50




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 Re: Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Halbert, 07-09-2000 10:01:50  
Is and has been done. Here are two links to check out. One is the original post. The second is the kit I chased down from Radio Shack. I bought it, but haven't put it together yet. $21 with shipping. Looks like it should work.

JerryU

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JimTN

07-09-2000 07:50:23




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 Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Ron from IL, 07-08-2000 18:22:39  
There is such an animal. Redmund Ignitions in CA has them for both the 32-41 and 42-48 Ford car dist in 12v or 6v. The only difference in a 9N dist and a v8 dimension wise is the 4cyl rotor. Redmund gets over $200 for his setups and requires your dist for him to convert it. Apparently there has been some problems with the 6V units failing when exposed to even momentary low voltage. His system uses a petronix coil and custom point plate that the receiving unit fastens to. The rotor just presses on over the stock cam. I have one of these on a 100hp v8 and it puts out as much fat spart cranking as when it runs. No sooty exhaust!

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Easy to say - not so easy to do - llamas

07-09-2000 06:38:13




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 Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Ron from IL, 07-08-2000 18:22:39  
Take a close look at the article. What is easy for one skilled guy with time and facilities to do is not so easy to make at a price that enough people would/could afford to pay.

Because of the unusual design of the distributor, especially the points plate, there's not much in the way of space to put in an adequate magnetic rotor. As you will see, the distributor shaft assembly had to come apart and have the points cam lobes ground off, and the magnetic rotor modified, to make it all fit. Phasing the thing is obviously a difficulty, since the experimenter had to modify the points plate to allow for an error in phasing. And so on.

I understand why vendors haven't offered this. Add the cost of a new distributor shaft assembly to the cost of, say, a present 8N conversion kit, and you're over $200. The static timing approach of the front-mount distributor adds another level of complexity, and more issues to confuse and frustrate the customer.

That's not to say that some bright spark can't/won't come up with a drop-in solution, and if it would work with a 6-volt system and the current coil, I think it would be a winner. But I don't think it can be readily achieved with the current Pertronix parts at a price (in money and complexity) that would make it profitable.

JMHO

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llamas

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Ron from IL

07-09-2000 09:29:22




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 Re: Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Easy to say - not so easy to do - llamas, 07-09-2000 06:38:13  
But Llamas...

1.) Why couldn't the mag. coil be made slightly larger to fit over the existing cam lobes? There seems to be plenty of room in the existing cavity.

2.) The bottom plate could be supplied (as it is in the 8N kit) with the remounted ignitor and the provision for timing/phasing adjustment.

3.) The editors of N-News stated that the coil problem could be cured with an additional resistor for those unwilling to change from the existing one.

I realize that there are more problems inherent in the 9N/2N system, but when the job can be done by someone with access to a milling machine/lathe, I have trouble believing that the problems couldn't be solved more easily by the manufacturer (maybe I'm just naive?!)

Ron

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Take a look - llamas

07-10-2000 04:16:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Ron from IL, 07-09-2000 09:29:22  
Ron - if you take a close look inside the distributor, you'll note that there isn't really that much room for a magnetic rotor on the existing points cam. The bridge for the upper distributor shaft bushing limits the avalable diameter, as does the size of the hole in the existing points plate.

You point about running the stock coil with a ballast resistor is true enough, but to do so is to add another compromise to the system. To get the full benefit of the electronic switching, you'd want to run a full-power, modern-design coil, which means significant changes to the distributor and to the overall appearance of the machine. The shortcomings of the stock coil could be addressed by a specially-designed magnet rotor which significantly increases the dwell angle - no need for a ballast resistor then - but it would still be a compromise.

As another person has linked above, of course all this can be done, and someone is doing it, but they are charging over $200 a pop. There isn't a mass market at that price, I don't think. If there were, I'm sure our friends at Genesee would be on the problem like a Dobermann on a ham sammich. For right now, a transistor "points helper" may be the best that can be done.

JMHO

llater,

llamas

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Nolan

07-11-2000 07:07:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Take a look - llamas, 07-10-2000 04:16:39  
I don't know Llamas, I kinda suspect our friends over at Genesee are missing the boat on this one. There really isn't a massive market for the side mount unit. Just a nitch. But the same nitch exists in the front mount world, perhaps more so.

There seems to be a whole lot more difficulties with the front mount distributors then with the side mount units. So of Genesee were to come up with an esthetically acceptable drop in system that works, I think they would have a solid, albet small, market. Might even be a bigger market then the side mount one is.

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halbert

07-10-2000 20:22:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Take a look - llamas, 07-10-2000 04:16:39  
Any market is a niche market at best. How many early N's and V-8s are there, and of those how many owners would want to change? I for one would not grind down a good distributor for such a conversion. Suppose the thing craps out some time in the future and the company is out of business, where do you go then?



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9n'er

07-09-2000 00:46:15




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 Re: Electronic Ignition for 9 2N's in reply to Ron from IL, 07-08-2000 18:22:39  
i think it's a good idea. I read up on them not too long ago and was wondering why there wasn't an electronic ignition for the 9N too. It seems that those that went through the trouble of converting to 12V for their working machines would consider purchasing the items. I suspect, fewer 9N's therefore lower product demand than those many 8N's or later models out there. Other option...collect an 8N to buy an electronic ignition...sounds like another angle for the wife: "honey, we need an electroinic ignition; how about you finally get that 8N that you think you may need..." well, it's worth a shot anyways. 9N'er

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