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Nolan

07-14-2000 12:17:05




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I'm going to chime in on this notion and say I think it's a terrible one.

I make no bones about it, I don't like POR15 anyways. I've tried it, I've known plenty of other folks that have tried it, and we've all had lousy results with it. If the base material isn't solid, the stuff just peels off. It's like painting the beach to hold the sand in place.

There's just no reasonable way of getting a gas tank clean enough to make POR15 solidly adhere to it. That's why all the tank repair kits have those etching compounds, to get solid adhesion. Dumping POR15 into a rusty dirty old tank and hoping it will stick just doesn't cut it.

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9N'er

07-15-2000 19:33:05




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 Re: POR15 in gas tanks in reply to Nolan, 07-14-2000 12:17:05  
Been thinking about this since I read it. Heres what I've come up with (my two cents): Standard POR 15 is not intended for gas tank restoration. The gas tank resotration system that the company sells is similar to Eastwood's products. It seems to do the job for gas tank issues.

POR 15: I've had some minor problems with POR 15 flaking off. So, I'm careful where and how it is used. I use it now on interior surfaces (undernetath the steering column, behind the dash, underneath the transmission cover, inside the brake drum surfaces (except where brake shoes rub of course), underneath the chassis, inside the hood, inside the lower hood side pieces, interior of rims and hubs...everyplace that seems to collect water or places where water tends to run inside and sit etc. etc.).

I never liked the claim of painting right over rust. Seems like it's a band-aid. So I sand- blasted and or grinded and sanded the rust, then used zinc phosphate to neutraliz and etch, then applied the POR 15. When I did that...it seemed to adhere pretty good...but in some places...it still seemed to flake off, and this is a concern. Other places, it was just like glue. I called the company and they highly recommended that the zinc phosphate be washed off before applying the POR 15(and in my case, I was not always that careful with that step...so I suspect that's where it flaked off...who knows).

SO, with POR 15 there seems to be some element of "trickiness" to get it right and to adhere. The next thing...is to get paint to adhere to the POR 15.

Applying their tie-coat primer when the POR 15 is curing but not all the way...but with a slight finger drag to it...seems to be the trick. When I let the POR 15 sit for a day or two...it was like a plastic/glossy/film...and it needed to be scuffed. So far...so good for me...but time will be the acid test for this. If Nolan and his experiences with POR 15 turn out to be true for me, I'll wish that I knew beforehand and knew about others' disatisfaction with the product. Live and learn is the old saying....but I am now watching it with a slight raised eyebrow...keeping my fingers crossed..hoping for the best. -9N'er

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jmg

07-16-2000 04:24:26




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 Re: Re: POR15 in gas tanks in reply to 9N'er, 07-15-2000 19:33:05  
9N'er, six years ago, in a moment of madness, I acquired a basket case Fiat 124. I cut out tons of rusted sheet metal, blasted, etc., but there was allot of rust I could'nt get to. I used POR-15 extensively. In exposed places, such as rocker panel areas, I shot primer over POR-15 while still tacky, as you describe. I've had no flake-off in any of these critical areas. I had some minor flaking on unrusted, unpreped chasis areas that I treated. To date, I have had no indication of rust anywhere which I regard as nothing short of a miracle. I would be interested to do a side-by-side comparison with similar products like Coroless (from Eastwood?). Good luck. jmg

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9N'er

07-14-2000 12:54:22




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 Re: POR15 in gas tanks in reply to Nolan, 07-14-2000 12:17:05  
Good post. I wouldn't use thePOR 15 directly inside the tank either. But they're gas tank restoration kit (different material than the POR 15 stuff) worked great for me. It does have an etching material with it...a zinc phosphate substance that seems to neutralize rust fairly well and etches just as well as phosphoric acid (i'm currently using on hat rims and discs) But, time will tell I guess...if it fails over time, I'll side with you. I have no ownership in the company or really care to promote their products other than when somethig appears to be working ok for me. I'm with you...it's temperamental; putting aside gas tank restoration stuff, I think the trick with POR 15 is applying their tie-coat primer just when the POR 15 has cured just enough to have a slight finger drag to it...and It seems it sort of bonds to it like glue, then topcoats adhere well to the primer. But, time will tell too... I'm too new at this game to give a complete thumbs-up other than just preliminary results.

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Jess

07-14-2000 15:20:17




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 Re: Re: POR15 in gas tanks in reply to 9N'er, 07-14-2000 12:54:22  
I had leaks in my tank on a Ford Jubilee. I used the porduct POR-15. I didn't have any major holes. But I did have several pin holes and a seam leaking.

I used the Marine-clean like the instructions said. I left it in the tank probably longer than I needed to but time was on my side. It was cold and I didn't need the tractor right then any way. The Metal Ready that I pored in was to disolve the rust and coat the tank with zinc phosphate.

The Instructions said Before puting the Tank Sealer in to Make Sure the tank was ABSCLUTELY dry. I used a hair dryer rigged so it blew in the opening for a couple of days ( I know it was Dry).

After the sealer was in the tank. I hooked the hair dryer to it again and I let it run for a nother couple of days.. This may seem like a long time but time was on my side.

So If the tank is prepaired correctly the Product will work as it is entended.

I think the Product worked Great. No one is paying me to say this . Humm! maybe I should be a Sales Rep.

Now that's My Two Cents Worth.
Jess

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jmg

07-15-2000 05:13:50




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 Re: Re: Re: POR15 in gas tanks in reply to Jess, 07-14-2000 15:20:17  
I too would not use the standard POR-15 on the interior of gas tanks. I haven't tried their product made specifically for gas tanks, however. It might be fine stuff. The problem I've experienced with the standard POR-15 formula is that in some applications, it does not adhere to the surface to which it is applied. While people have experienced this problem on painted or unrusted metal surfaces (I think POR-15 now has new prep products and instructions for these applications -- don't know how well they work), I have also experienced the problem on the solid, otherwise clean rusted surfaces which the stuff is intended for. Nevertheless, despite the occasional flaking problem, I usually find that it works very well on rusted surfaces, lasting much longer than rust converters with phosphoric acid in a latex solution. In any event I wouldn't take the risk in a gas tank where flakes will plague you forever. Again, the different, gas-tank specific POR-15 product may be great. jmg.

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