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9n'er

07-26-2000 05:38:14




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A Tisco brand head gasket arrived in the mail yesterday. There were no instructions, and from what I can tell, there is no sticky material on it. Do I use gasket maker or not? And is there a "right side up' or does it matter? One side is flat, the other has raised type seams around the perimter and the interior sections. Sure would like to get this right to keep radiator fluid from going into my cylinders again. thanks for your advice ahead of time. 9N'er

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duck

01-23-2004 13:00:32




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 Re: Head gasket question in reply to 9n'er, 07-26-2000 05:38:14  
how do you go about putting the srews back in



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9N'er

07-26-2000 16:10:54




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 Re: Head gasket question in reply to 9n'er, 07-26-2000 05:38:14  
Good posts below...all of them. Here's what I did to day: I put the gasket on dry. I Bought a torque wrench too...yippeee. But, my block had all studs. No bolts. Some studs were rusting...and I suspect held the head tight when trying to pop it by cranking the engine over. I learned a lot about rust during this project. When you strip a tractor you can't help but learn about rust, where it goes, what water does, and where it tends to lie. So I over did it...but in a good way. I PB soaked the studs for a day. I then painted the studs with the Never Seaz grease lubricant. I also applied copper gasket maker at the bottom of each nut (but now that I read that post, it may be moot when I recheck and reset the torque). But, where the rust was setting in predominantly, it was on the studs that held up the metal wiring harness for the plug wires and the bracket for the throttles links. It seems water seeped under these hold down brackets, laid there and began to rust the studs inside the head. Well, that's what I did, but I think even minutely resetting and tighening the bolts should still maintain the silicone under those nuts. You see, I want another 100 years out of this tractor. 9N'er

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Tom and his 8N

07-26-2000 10:59:33




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 Re: Head gasket question in reply to 9n'er, 07-26-2000 05:38:14  
9'er,
I put mine on dry execpt a thin coat of silicone spray on each side to help it move, slide and seal while tighting it down. Alway go back and retorqe the head after running it awhile. I did mine after an hour then after a hard day brushhoggin' and then rechecked after a week. Better to over do it then not. Don't know if anyone else has heard of this silicone method or tried it. Any thought, pros or cons. I'd like to hear them.

Tom

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Nolan

07-26-2000 11:30:05




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 Re: Re: Head gasket question in reply to Tom and his 8N, 07-26-2000 10:59:33  
It's a good theory as far as it goes, but that's not good for head gaskets.

All by itself, a head gasket isn't strong enough to hold the forces of combustion inside the engine. There's been a variety of surface recommendations over the years to give the gasket some traction against the head and block surfaces. From coarse to fine, with prick punch recommendations for some of the old high compression v-8's! Head gaskets usually come with a faintly tacky or sticky surface coating on them to help them bond to the head and block surfaces, further keeping them in place.

So, you're right about the notion of silicone lubricating the gasket and helping it to slide around. But that's a bad thing for a head gasket.

Since these are low compression engines, and robustly engineered, you do get away with this. Especially since you are conciencious about retightening the head bolts or nuts. One should do this, unless they are using a stretch to yield head bolt or a specifically designed non-retorqueing head gasket. Something that doesn't apply to N's.

As far as the original question goes with regards to orientation of the gasket, I don't think it really matters here. It's an iron block with an iron head. Mine is on exactly opposite of the previous recommendation (seam side down). I used some sealant (my beloved ultra-copper), but that's only because I used the old head gasket (gasp!).

Carrol Smith advises using some pipe thread dope on bolts going into water jackets. Specifically Loctite's brand. Good advise, I probably should have done that.

Remember too, it's better to slightly overtorque then to undertorque.

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david

07-26-2000 21:01:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Head gasket question in reply to Nolan, 07-26-2000 11:30:05  
i have a 49 8-n....good oil pressure 28 at speed,20 at idle..... ..problem is oil residue showing up in radiator,fouling number 4 plug. no water in crankcase....sounds like a blown head gasket to me,is this possible? would be an easy fix if so. any suggestions or moral support would be greatly appreciated....thank you.



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Bill(Tx)

07-26-2000 06:17:33




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 Re: Head gasket question in reply to 9n'er, 07-26-2000 05:38:14  
The gasket is set with the little seam around openings to the top and is set in place dry without any material.



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