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Fuel filter not filling

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1st Time Bob

08-09-2000 09:42:02




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My 8n runs for a while then quits. There is an additional fuel filter spliced into the line after the bowl and before the carb. It looked dirty so I replaced it with a clear one. I notice that the gas fills the filter with the ehgine off, then as I run it the fuel empties from the filter and the 8n dies. I have been reading about air leaks, but how do I find the air leak if that is the problem? People suggest spraying wd40 to see if it runs better, but it runs fine until it runs out of fuel. If I disconnect the line at the carb, fuel runs fine. (Just put new gaskets on carb too.) Any thoughts?

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Dave in Mo

08-09-2000 13:22:04




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 Re: Fuel filter not filling in reply to 1st Time Bob, 08-09-2000 09:42:02  
Bob, there should be no filters after the shut off valve and the fuel line should be steel from the valve down to the carb. There is a reason the tractor left the factory this way. New tank shut off valves are about $20 and are available at farm supply stores and some auto parts outlets like NAPA. Just be sure you get one that fits your N. Both of our 8N,s needed servicing/cleaning of the bowl when we got them.

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ZD

08-09-2000 12:00:40




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 Re: Fuel filter not filling in reply to 1st Time Bob, 08-09-2000 09:42:02  
I know that this sounds stupid, but break the line BEFORE the addl filter and see if gas streams out. By breaking the line at the carb you are using the filter as a resevour.

Zeke



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Larry 8N75381

08-09-2000 11:15:04




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 Re: Fuel filter not filling in reply to 1st Time Bob, 08-09-2000 09:42:02  
Bob,

If you check the vent hole by taking the gas cap loose, like Ray said to do, and you still get no flow you have a blockage of one of the filters in the sediment bowel. The easiest to check is the one at the top of the sediment bowel. Shut the valve at the sediment bowel and loosen the clamp on the sediment bowel. Remove the sediment bowel and open the valve. Gas should come streaming out - drips and dribbling do NOT count. Good gas flow means the valve/filter in the tank are OK. Clean/replace the screen at the top of the sediment bowel - it fits up in valve body where sediment bowel is. Wouldn't surprise me if you do not have a screen, which is why someone added the inline filter - a fire waiting to happen!!! Check archives as someone had his N burn up because of an added inline filter!!

If, as I fear you you may find, the gas drips out, then the valve and/or in tank filter is plugged. Been there, fixed that!!! UGH!! I let one tank drain OVER a week and still had to "catch" gas when I pulled the valve out of the gas tank. I have a picture of one that I'll try to post tonight after I get home. It was SO FILLED UP with rust, varnish, and other crud I'm surprised the N got any gas at all - even when I test ran it before I bought it. The filter inside had so much hard crud on it that it broke at the slightest touch - #@$%&*!! can't replace just that filter, had to get whole new valve/sediment bowel assembly at about $20.

My advice to you is to get rid of the inline filter. There should be three filters in the gas flow to the carb. 1. in the tank above the valve, 2. at the top of the sediment bowel (gas flows up thru it to the line to the carb) and 3. on the end of the elbow that goes into the carb. These are all fine mesh brass screens. Any particles that get thru them are so small that they should not hurt the low compression flat head engine in an N. Acutally, I suspect that the engine gets MUCH more harmful grit, etc. into it from air leaks in the air filter/carb/manfold. These leaks will let in dust (powdered sand - silicon oxide - hard) where as most of the "dirt" from the gas is rust (iron oxide not as hard as sand) from inside the tank. And all but the smallest particles are caught by the filters or drop out in the sediment bowel.

MY opinions ONLY, your mileage may vary. :-)
Larry

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raytasch

08-09-2000 10:01:25




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 Re: Fuel filter not filling in reply to 1st Time Bob, 08-09-2000 09:42:02  
The fuel tank vent on the 8N is a very small hole on a "dimple" on top of the tank. It is not uncommon for these holes to get stopped up. You can prove or disprove proper venting by loosening the cap slightly and see if your starvation problem ends. It is not uncommon for auxilary filters to restrict flow in a gravity system such as you have. I have seen the problem and it has been reported here on this BB. fwiw, ray

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Claus

08-09-2000 09:57:07




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 Re: Fuel filter not filling in reply to 1st Time Bob, 08-09-2000 09:42:02  
If your fuel filter runs out of gas, the engine will die.. Try running the engine with the fuel filter removed and see if it dies, if yes, then you probably have a clog, debris ahead of the filter. If not, get a bigger fuel filter. I run a filter and it is about 1 .5 inches in diameter and about 2.5 inches long. Mine works fine.
Happy Motoring
Claus



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Claus

08-09-2000 10:03:09




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 Re: Re: Fuel filter not filling in reply to Claus, 08-09-2000 09:57:07  
If you are really tractor challanged, then stay away from this deal unless you want to get a 8N and buy this tractor for salvage parts. When you do get a tractor, get one that someone else put a lot of money into that they cannot recoup. Take someone with you who is knowledgeable when you look at tractors just like you should do when you buy a used car and are car challenged.
Happy Motoring
Claus

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Claus

08-09-2000 10:04:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Fuel filter not filling in reply to Claus, 08-09-2000 10:03:09  
Oops, post should be for Mike.
Claus



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