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Pat Williams

08-31-2000 09:22:44




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My Dad, who works for a contractor that does a lot of work for John Deere, was working at JD's Waterloo Product Engineering plant yesterday. On his way in, he noticed several different makes and models of tractors 'hidden' in back. Its no suprise that everyone in every industry keeps an eye on what the competition is doing. What we have been told is that they (JD) tear these new machines apart and see how they tick and see what can be improved. The thing that got my Dads attention was an old Ford Tractor sitting with the other much larger new ones. He asked a guy he knows that works there about it. The guy wasnt sure but said he would find out for him. As it turns out the original owners son now owns the tractor and works at JD. JD agreed to put new tires on the '49 8N in return so they could examine the steering components of the tractor. The guy said they are planning on making small, simple, easy to work on utility tractors for export to third world countries. Thought some of you might find that interesting.

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rbell

09-04-2000 11:50:08




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 Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to Pat Williams, 08-31-2000 09:22:44  
From time to time Ford has re-invented the model T, if you are old enough you remember the 1960 Ford Falcon. two door, six cyl straight shift, and anyone could fix it. Then people wanted more! In 1969 Ford tried again with the Maverick 6 cyl straight shift, simple and easy to fix and mileage unheard of at the time. But then people wanted more. Anyone see a pattern? Like the young folks of today wanting $200,000 - $500,000 dollar homes and two $50,000 cars and a $60,000 boat, and a second home on the lake, and all to raise two kids in (how many of you were raised in homes like those?). What a waste of our resources, and lousy way to teach children the worth of a dollar.

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tlak

09-01-2000 16:16:26




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 Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to Pat Williams, 08-31-2000 09:22:44  
So what would be the small, simple, easy to work on utility tractor. Engine, Everybody wants just a little more Hp then it might as will be a diesel for the fuel economy and torque.
Transmission, Not low enough low or high enough high. Might as will be 8,10,16 speed and have independent pto and live hyd.
Brakes, wont stop. Might as will be hyd/disc.
Weight, add weight to front and rear. filled tires. Might as will be 4wheel drive for more weight and traction.

So when you start out to build a new N, is that what youll end up with?
So if you took a new tractor and trashed all the electronics, except electronic ignition you would have the easy to work on tractor.

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Old Ag

09-01-2000 08:12:57




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 Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to Pat Williams, 08-31-2000 09:22:44  
Interesting. I was talking with someone the other day, wondering why no car company made a simple, easy to work on and understand vehicle. A car for which all the parts were fairly standard and could be replaced off the shelf by someone with minimal mechanical expertise.

He said Ford used to make one of those, it was called the Model T.

Its a shame that in today's time it can take two weeks pay just to replace struts or get a new computer. If there's no spark on an N tractor, you can easily isolate the reason why and fix it. With todays engines and controls, it could be anybody's guess, and you may as well trade it in for a new one.

Old Ag

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ZANE

08-31-2000 18:47:22




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 Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to Pat Williams, 08-31-2000 09:22:44  
If John Deere starts making the 8N again and sending them to China I want one. I don't care if it's green. I can repaint it. I know how to get the green off.



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Michael Az

09-01-2000 07:26:06




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 Re: Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to ZANE, 08-31-2000 18:47:22  
Going to be interesting, Zane. In order to make them affordable, JD will have to have them made in China. Will they just sell them there in China, you think?-----Michael



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Sam (Mo.)

08-31-2000 21:04:39




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 Re: Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to ZANE, 08-31-2000 18:47:22  
Zane - I doubt that John Deere or anyone else is going to be building "N" tractors again. If that happened in this day and age, I wonder who would be happier - the 500 lawyers who'd file "class action lawsuits" or the 500 new bureaucrats OSHA would hire to hound the manufacturer out of business.

When Ralph Nader said the Corvair was "unsafe at any speed" he never even dreamed about the vicious, unforgiving chunks of iron that are Ford tractors circa 1939-52. Of course, that's just what I like about the danged things - they date from a time when people were willing to take some responsibility for their own safety.

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Gaspump

08-31-2000 12:38:18




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 Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to Pat Williams, 08-31-2000 09:22:44  
The interesting thing I noted is that John Deere has marketed a small line of utility, garden and lawn tractors for years. They are all manufactured in Asia and sold primarily in the United States.



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JerryU

08-31-2000 12:30:40




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 Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to Pat Williams, 08-31-2000 09:22:44  
Bob's story reminded me of a very long time ago I worked for AC Sparkplug Division of GM (remember them?). We made dashes and instruments. I saw a box of gauges boxed to be shipped. I asked where they were going. Someone told me "Oh we ship them to Ford and Ford ships us theirs. Saves us tearing apart cars to get at them." Don't know how true it was, but kinda made sense.

JerryU



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bg

08-31-2000 12:18:54




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 Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to Pat Williams, 08-31-2000 09:22:44  
JD is reportedly in negotiations to build one or several tractor plants in Communist China. And they are nowed owned in part by some Japanese conglomerate. So maybe this all fits?

I used to haul boats for Grady-White. One of my regular hauls was to a remote bayou in Lousiana, where Yamaha has a "test" facility. We would take different hull configurations there to have the Yamaha outboard motors matched and tested to the hulls. The neat thing about the whole place was that the "laboratory" was a room full of all brands of outboards-Evinrude, Mercury, Mariners, etc, all torn down to components and blue-printed. They would take all the best engineering features of each motor and try to incorporate those into the new Yamaha motors. I would guess Ford, Chevy and Dodge all do the same things with their competitors' products.

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Richard(WY)

08-31-2000 16:50:54




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 Re: Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to bg, 08-31-2000 12:18:54  
Well heck bg that explains everything now. You have a secret test facility at your junkyard and that is why your 8N is in pieces all over the yard. The next time one of those wise guys gives you grief over your 8N, now you got the ammunition to nail 'em good ol' pal. YOU DA MAN! I can see it now on your next video: "BG's Yamaha Outboard 8N" And all this time you have been playing possum with the boys. You know I feel proud to be an American seeing how you are about to put it to those foreigners. Good luck and remember the secret is safe with us.

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Sam (Mo.)

08-31-2000 09:56:47




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 Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to Pat Williams, 08-31-2000 09:22:44  
What a great story, and I bet it's true, too. There's probably nobody at J.D. now who understands the simple, straightforward way things were designed and built 51 years ago.

It's kind of funny, too. Sort of like if the Russians were sneaking around trying to get the plans for the P-51 Mustang. Just a little behind the times!

Well, J.D. can put new tires on my 8N anytime - and in return I'll gladly let them investigate any Ford secrets they can find on it!

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tom 8N396936

08-31-2000 10:08:35




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 Re: Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to Sam (Mo.), 08-31-2000 09:56:47  
I don't know Sam, if you let them put wheels on it they may want to paint it that ugly green ;>)
tom



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JerryU

08-31-2000 10:27:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to tom 8N396936, 08-31-2000 10:08:35  
third party image

Like this one?

(From Neil's nseries site)



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Dave in Mo

09-01-2000 09:20:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to JerryU, 08-31-2000 10:27:15  
Reminds me of a corn cob.



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Dale O'9N

08-31-2000 14:54:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Interesting Little Story in reply to JerryU, 08-31-2000 10:27:15  
Thanks for making it small. Too much green makes me sick.



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