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Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N

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Old Ag

09-05-2000 12:40:17




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Labor Day was a killer indeed - small tractor, 108 degree heat, and a totally novice operator (that's me) combined for rough ride through some old pasture. I am preparing a 7-8 acre patch for sugarcane planting this fall and the ground was so hard and my disc so worn down that I may as well have used my fingernails. I need a low budget solution to get this ground into shape without upgrading tractors. I have a 6' tandem disc w/ 17" cutters (originally 18"), a weld-repaired middle buster, and a spring tine cultivator - none of which cut down deep. What do I need to make some progress? Help needed quick! Planting is just a month away. Thanks.

Old Ag
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Phil R (IL/MT)

09-06-2000 07:15:01




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 Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 12:40:17  
In montana this past summer, my neighbor and I had a ripping tooth made to rip hard rocky ground. He found an old tooth from a big grader or other machine, and we had it welded onto a frame that had arms to go thru the lower lift arms and an extension up from those arms to tie into the top link.. This rather inexpensive contraption did well in hard dry ground until it hit a big rock and then it had a tendency to bounce up off the rock. I used it to loosen the ground to about 6-10 inches deep and then used a middle buster after that. I adjusted the angle of penetration by adjusting the top link.. Just a suggestion..... .

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2fordsmike

09-05-2000 19:25:13




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 Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 12:40:17  
Old Ag: Planting sugar cane in the fall? Hmmmm!
Low cost possibilities: 1. Hire a neighbor with bigger tractor and real tillage equipment. 2. Put a subsoiler point on the middlebuster and subsoil about every 50 inches. Then use the spring tooth after the first rain, one or two times. Then disk it once or twice. I'm really guessing on all of this. 3. How about custom application of Roundup and hire somebody to plant it with a no-till rig? Mike

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Old Ag

09-05-2000 19:34:54




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 Re: Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to 2fordsmike, 09-05-2000 19:25:13  
That's right, Fall. Usually by Dec 1 at the latest so the new growth will have about a foot above ground before the frost...HA! (as if we've seen any real frost in ages). Sure would help to kill some bugs.

Old Ag
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2fordsmike

09-06-2000 20:44:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 19:34:54  
In Missouri and Iowa we would plant sorghums in the spring, but I was intrigued and appreciate your response. Is this really for sugar cane or is it for forage for livestock? Thanks Mike-I



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Old Ag

09-08-2000 12:28:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to 2fordsmike, 09-06-2000 20:44:03  
Its primarily for biomass conversion to chemicals, but also forage, wood fuel, etc. We can manage about 100 tons per acre wet.

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when?.....Dell (WA)

09-05-2000 13:34:02




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 Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to Old Ag, 09-05-2000 12:40:17  
When was the last time it rained down your way???? You may need some additional weight on your disks too. Generally, you really need to turn over the turf from your pastures with a real plow. Cutting the pasture sod with a disk just doesn't make it. N-Tractors are good plowing tractors, but its tuff to turnover cement. Interesting, I thought the sugarcane growing business was in the pits too along with the rest of the agriculture businesses. ..... Dell

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Old Ag

09-05-2000 13:56:56




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 Re: Re: Breaking Hard Ground with the 9N in reply to when?.....Dell (WA), 09-05-2000 13:34:02  
Its more of a research project than a business, actually. Its been quite a while since a good rain. I figure it would take me about a million passes with a single shaft subsoiler, but that may be the only answer. Its whatever works the cheapest with the N, that's what I'm looking for.

Thanks for your response.

Old Ag
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