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What is Vapor Lock? or Hyrdostatic Lock?

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9N'er

10-09-2000 05:59:51




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What is it? what causes it? and what are the symptoms? I posted a question about my 850 abruptly cutting out and not firing back up after 10 seconds of firing. Raytasch provided some good advice to that post in the Ford Board above, I but certainly would like to know more about Hydrostatic Lock, and what happens when it happens and why. thank you. 9N'er




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Francis

01-30-2003 19:40:42




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 Re: What is Vapor Lock? or Hyrdostatic Lock? in reply to 9N'er, 10-09-2000 05:59:51  
Hi,

When I drove 1976 Cadillac Eldordao Convertible with EFI 502 Cubic Inch Engine for 40 mins. at a hot weather in CA today, it died . So I waited for one hour to re-start it and ran it to home. I was told that it was VAPOR LOCK ! What part do I need? Where can I find the part to replace it? How much for the part incl. labor cost? Where to fix it? I am in Irvine, CA 92604. Pls let me know ASAP. Thanks, Francis

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dave#1

10-10-2000 15:09:18




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 Re: What is Vapor Lock? or Hyrdostatic Lock? in reply to 9N'er, 10-09-2000 05:59:51  
I sometimes get "Vapor Lock/Hyrdostatic Lock" After drinking several 12 packs of Coors Lights.


BELCH

later,dave



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Dell (WA)

10-09-2000 08:16:07




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 Re: What is Vapor Lock? or Hyrdostatic Lock? in reply to 9N'er, 10-09-2000 05:59:51  
9N'er..... ..Hydrostatic Lock...usually occures in an engine from a bad headgasket. But on N's can occure from a full gravity fed gastank and a bad float in the carb. Both cases, fluid gets into a cylinder of a stopped engine just before the "compression stroke". When you go to start the engine, the starter cranks the engine and the piston "tries" to compress the liquid in the cylinder. You might have noticed, liquids are rather incompressable, therefore you have just experienced "hydrostatic lock". To "un-lock", remove all sparkplugs and turn over the engine, thus forcing the incompressable fluid out the now open sparkplug holes. The reason for removing "all" the sparkplugs is: you don't know which cylinder has the fluid in it.

Next step, find out why and fix it. You'll obviously need to replace your contaminated oil. I've never known a "running" engine to experience "hydrostatic lock". Engines that set over time will also "rust lock" their rings to the cylinder walls. "Olive oil" is an old timey "cure".

Vapor lock is a different kind of pressure problem. Usually caused by heat, most commonally, boiling gasoline inside a gas line from being incorrectly routed too near an exhaust pipe. It used to plague old timey cars with poor fuel pumps. Since N-Tractors are gravity flow to the carb and therefore do not have fuel pumps, vapor lock is usually not a problem. Howsomever, if your fueltank vapor vent is "plugged" you can eventually "vaccuum lock" and stop your engine from running by preventing gas from draining into the carb..... ..Dell

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John in Abq

10-09-2000 19:22:05




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 Re: Re: What is Vapor Lock? or Hyrdostatic Lock? in reply to Dell (WA), 10-09-2000 08:16:07  
If this happens to you, before you crank the engine to clear the cylinders, disconnect the primary side of the ignition and ground. Bad time to have any sparkies jumping around! Also open the air cleaner tube at the carb. Truly amazing how much fuel can drain out of the intake side. John



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raytasch

10-09-2000 07:50:20




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 Re: What is Vapor Lock? or Hyrdostatic Lock? in reply to 9N'er, 10-09-2000 05:59:51  
OK, 9Nr, Hydrostatic lock as it relates to an engine is when a non compressable liquid media, such as gasoline, oil, or water gets into a space smaller than the original volume of that liquid media. The variable in the engine is the piston coming up on the compression stroke and reducing the volume of the "container". Liquid being the non compressable media now locks the piston and rotating crankshaft mass. Worst case scenareo will bend a rod or crack a piston. Vapor lock is when the fuel percolates or vaporizes any where in the fuel delivery system before the carburator. This is caused by high temperatures. Not real common on tractors. Used to be fairly common on carburated engine cars and trucks. Hope this helps some and I made some sense. ray

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Jim.UT

10-09-2000 07:46:33




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 Re: What is Vapor Lock? or Hyrdostatic Lock? in reply to 9N'er, 10-09-2000 05:59:51  
I could get corrected here, but I'll take a stab at it. This is how I understand it. Vapor lock occurs when gasoline vaporizes in the fuel line, causing an air bubble that prevents fuel from flowing. Usually caused by excessive heat. When vapor lock occurs it's time to find where the fuel line runs too close to a source of heat such as an exhaust manifold. Hydrostatic lock usually happens on these old tractors when the fuel valve is left on and the carb needle valve is a little leaky. Because the fuel system is gravity flow and gravity never sleeps, the fuel just keeps flowing. First it fills up the carb, then it fills up the intake manifold, then it finds an open intake valve and fills the top of the cylinder. If your rings are bad it leaks past those and into your crankcase. If your rings are good, the fuel in the top of the cylinder prevents the engine from turning since liquid gasoline will not compress like and air/fuel mixture will. I have heard of people breaking internal engine parts when this happens.

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